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Senate 1973 : part 1


Year:1973
LC Subject:Fiji--Politics and government--Periodicals
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Standing Committee on Popu/af/on—appointed 9.8.73
Hon. Senator Dr, F. A. S. Emberson
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia. M.B.E.. J.P.
Hon. Senator R I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Anaseint Qionibaravi
Hon. Senator Vivekanand Sharma
Hon. Senator Knur Battan Singh
Hon Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tutsawau
Select Committee on the Gold Industry - appointed 9.8.73
Hon Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator R. I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Ratu Napolioni Oawai
Hon. Senator Dr. F. A. S. Emberson
Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E . J.P.
Hon. Senator Ratu G W Latabalavu
Hansard Reporters :
Mrs, M. Nabalama
Miss M Biggs
Miss C. M.filial
Miss S. K. Prasad
Mrs. E. C. King
Miss N N. Khan
Editor of Official Reports :
Mr. Rajendra Kumar

PARLIAMENT OF FIJI
MEETING OF 30TH, 31ST OCTOBER, 1973
THE GOVERNOR-GENERAL
His Excellency Ratu Sir George Kadovu'evu Cakobau, G.C.M G., K.C.V.O.
THE MINISTRY
Prime Minister
, Hon. Ratu Sir Kamisese Mara,
K.8.E..P.C.
Attorney-General ,
, Hon. Senator J. N. Falvey,
O.B.E., Q.C
Minister oi Finance
. . . . Hon. C. A. Stinson, O.B.E.
Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forests
. . . - Hon. D. W. Brown, M.B.E.
Minister for Labour
— Hon. Jonati Mavoa
Minister for Communications, Works and Tourism ..
Hon. Ratu P. K. Ganilau, C.M.G..
C.V.O., D.S.O., O.B.E,
Minister for Education, Youth and Spoils
Hon. J. B. Naisara
Minister for Fijian Affairs and Rurai Development ..
Hon. Ratu W. B. Toganivalu
Minister for Lands and Mineral Resources
Hon. Ratu J B. Toganivaiu
Mims*er for Commerce, Industry and Co operatives
Hon. M. T. Khan
Minister for Health
Hon. James S. Singh, M.B.E.,
J.P.
Minister for Urban Development. Housing and Social Welfare' Hon. M. Ramzan, M.B.E.
Minister without Portfolio Hon Ratu David Toganivalu
Assistant Minister I, Communications, Works and Tourism
(Telecommunications and Postal Services)
Hon. P. D. Naqasima
Assistant Minister II, Communications. Works and Tourism
(Roads and Marine Transport)
Hon, E, J. Beddoes
Assistant Minister Urban Development, Housing and Social
Wei Fare (Social Welfare!
Hon. S. N Wjiqanivavalagi
Assistant Minister Agriculture, Fisheries and Forests
(Forest)
Hon. S. U. Naivalu
Assistant Minister of Finance
Hon P. K. Bhindi
Assistant Minister Commerce, industry and Co-operatives
(Cooperatives)
Hon. S. B. Butadroka
Assistant Minister Fijian Affairs and Rural Development
(Rural Development)
Hon. M. V Leweniqiia
THE SENATE
President
Hon. Senator Robert L. Munro
C.B.E.
Vice-president
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola
Clerk fo Parliament ,
Mrs. L. R Ah Kov
Clerk to the Senate
Mr. P C. W. Howard
Leader of Government Business
Fion. Senator J. N. Falvey,
• O.B.E., Q.C. (Attorney-General)
MEMBERS OF THE SENATE
Prime Minister's Nominees:
Hon. Senator J. N. Faivey, O.B.E., O C. SAttorney-Generai), Leader UT Government Business
Hon. Senator Dr. F. A. S. Emberson
Hon. Senator Ramanfa! I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Anaseini Qionibaravi
Hon. Senator Vivekanand Sharma
Council of Chiefs' Nominees :
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola [Vice-President)
Hon. Senator Ratu Napolioni Dawai
Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini

Hon. Senator Ratu Apakuki Nanovo
Hon. Senator Ratu Kavaia Tagivetaua, M.C.
Hon. Senator Ratu Josaia Tavaiqia
Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Kikau, M.B.E.
Hon. Senator Inoke Tabua
Leader of the Opposition's Nominees :
Hon. Senator Sarvan singh
Hon. Senator Eqbal Mohammed
Hon. Senator Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator Kaur Battan Singh
Hon. Senator Jai Ram Reddy
Council of Rotumas Nominee:
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E.
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Consists of fifty-two Members
Thirty-three Alliance (Government) Members
Nineteen National Federation (Opposition) Members
SENATE COMMITTEES
Committee of Selection -appointed 22.6,73
Hon. Senator R. I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Anaseini Qtonibaravj
Hon. Senator Ratu Kavaia Tagivetaua
Hon. Senator Sarvan Stngh
Hon. Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia. M.B.E.
Food Production Committee -appointed 22.6.73
Hon. Senator Anaseini Oionibaravi
Hon. Senator R. I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola
Hon. Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator Eqbal Mohammed
Hon. Senator Wilson I ma, M.B.E.
Committee of Privileges- appointed 22.6.73
Hon. President of the Senate
Hon. Senator J. N. Falvey
Hon. Senator R. I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Sarvan Singh
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Voiavola
Hon. Senator Jai Ram Reddy
Cervices Committee—appointed 2.4.71, re-appointed 22.6.73
Hon. President of the Senate (Chairman)
Vice-President of the Senate
Hon. Senator Wilson inia. M.B.E.
Hon. Senator Sarvan Singh
Hon. Senator Kaur Battan Singh
Hon. Senator Dr. F. A. S. Emberson
Business Committee appointed 2.4.71, re-appointed 22.6.73
Hon. Leader of Government Business
Hon. Senator R. i. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola
Hon. Senator Sarvan Singh
Hon Senator Ratu Mosese V Tuisawau
Hon Senator Ratu Kavata Tagivetaua
Hon. Senator Wiison Inia, M.B.E.

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Standing Committee on Population -appointed 9.8.73
Hon. Senator Dr. F. A S. Ernberson
Hon. Senator Wtlsonlnta, M.B.E.. J.P.
Hon. Senator R. !. Kapadta
Hon. Senator Anaseim Qionibaravi
Hon. Senator Vivekanand Sharnia
Hon. Senator Kaur Battan Singh
Hon. Senator Mosese V. futsawau
Select Committee on the Gold Industry— appointed 9,8.73
Hon. Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator R. i. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Ratu Napofiom Dawai
Hon. Senator Dr. F A. S. Emberson
Hon. Senator Ratu Jono Mataitim
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E., J P.
Hansard Reporters:
Mrs. M. Nabalarua
Miss M. Biggs
Miss C M Piltai
Miss S K Prasad
Mrs. E. C. King
Miss N. N. Khan
Editor of Official Reports :
Mr. Rajendra Kumar

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PARLIAMENT OF FIJI
BUDGET MEETING, 1973
THE GOVERNOR-GENERAL
His Excellency Ratu Sir George Kadavulevu Cakobau, GC.M.G-, K.C V.O.
THE MINISTRY
Prime Minister Hon. Ratu Sir Kamisese Mara,
K.B.E., PC
Attorney-General Hon. Senator J. N. Falvey,
O.B.E., Q.C.
Minister of Finance Hon. C. A. Stinson. O.B.E.
Minister for Agriculture. Fisheries and Forests Hon. D. W. Brown, M.B.E.
Minister for Labour Hon. Jonati Mavoa
Minister for Communications, Works and Tourism Hon. Ratu P. K. Ganilau, C.M.G.,
C.V.O., D.S.O., O.B.E. '
Minister for Education, Youth and Sports Hon. J. B. Naisara
Minister for Fijian Affairs and Rural Development Hon. Ratu W. B. Toganivalu
Minister fot Lands and Mineral Resources Hon. Ratu J. B. Toganivaiu
Minister for Commerce, Industry and Co-operatives Hon. M. T. Khan
Minister for Health Hon. James S Singh M B E
JP.
Minister for Urban Development, Housing and Social Welfare Hon. M Rarnzan, M.B.E.
Minister without Portfolio Hon Ratu David Toganivalu
Assistant Minister I. Communications, Works and Tourism
[Telecommunications and Postal Services) Hon. P. D. Naqasima
Assistant Minister II, Communications, Works and Tourism
[Roads and Marine Transport) Hon. E. J. Beddoes
Assistant Minister Urban Development, Housing and Social
Welfare (Social Welfare) Hon, S. N. Waqanivavaiagi
Assistant Minister Agriculture, Fisheries and Forests
[Forest) Hon. S. U. Naivalu
Assistant Minister of Finance Hon. P, K. Bhindi
Assistant Minister Commerce, industry and Co-operatives
[Co-operatives) Hon. S. 8. Butadroka
Assistant Minister Fijian Affairs and Rural Development
(Rural Development) Hon. M. V. Leweniqila
THE SENATE
President Hon. Senator Robert L, Munro,
CB.E.
Vice-President Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola
Clerk to Parliament Mrs. L. B. Ah Koy
Clerk to the Senate : Mr. P. C. W. Howard
Leader of Government Business Hon. Senator J. N. Falvey,
O.B.E.. O.C.iAttorney-Generaf)
MEMBERS OF THE SENATE
Primp Minister's Nominees:
Hon. Senator J N. Falvey. O.B.E., Q.C. (Attorney-Genera!), Leader of Government Business
Hon. Senator Dr. F. A. S. Emberson
Hon, Senator Ramanlal I, Kapadia
Hon. Senator Anaseint Qiombaravi
Hon. Senator Vivekanand Sharma
Hon. Senator Charles Walker
Council of Chiefs' Nominees :
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola (Vice-President)
Hon, Senator Ratu Napolioni Davvai
Hon Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini

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Hon. Senator Ratu Apakuki Nanovo
Hon. Senator Ratu Kavaia Tagiveiaua, M.C.
Hon. Senator Ratu Josaia Tavaiqia
Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Kikau, M.B.E.
Hon, Senator Inoke Tabua
Leader of the Opposition's Nominees:
Hon. Senator Sarvan Singh
Hon. Senator Eqbal Mohammed
Hon. Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator Kaur Battan Singh
Hon. Senator Jal Ram Reddy
Hon. Senator Ro Asela Logavatu
Council of Rotumas Nominee:
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E.
THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Consists of fifty-two Members
Thirty-three Alliance (Government] Members
Nineteen National Federation (Opposition] Members
SENATE COMMITTEES
Committee of Selection -appointed 22,6.73
Hon. Senator R. i. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Anaseini Gionibaravi
Hon. Senator Ratu Kavaia Tagivetaua
Hon. Senator Sarvan Singh
Hon. Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E.
Food Production Committee— appointed 22.6.73
Hon. Senator Anaseini Qionibaravi
Hon. Senator R. 1. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavoia
Hon. Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator Eqbal Mohammed
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E.
Committee of Privileges -appointed 22.6.73
Hon. President of the Senate
Hon. Senator J. N. Faivey
Hon. Senator R. I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Sarvan Singh
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Voiavola
Hon. Senator Jai Ram Reddy
Services Committee--appointed 8.12.70, re-appointed 22.6.73
Hon. President of the Senate (Chairman)
Vice-President of the Senate
Hon. Senator Wilson inia, M.B.E.
Hon. Senator Sarvan Singh
Hon. Senator Kaur Battan Singh
Hon. Senator Dr. F. A. S. Emberson
Business Committee—appointed 2.4,71, re-appointed 22.6.73
Hon. Leader of Government Business
Hon. Senator R, I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Voiavola
Hon. Senator Sarvan Singh

Hon. Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator Ratu Kavaia Tagivetaua
Hon Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E.
Standing Committee on Population—appointed 9.8.73
Hon. Senator Dr. F, A. S. Emberson
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia. M.B.E., J.P.
Hon. Senator R. I. Kapadia
Hon Senator Anasetm Gionibaravt
Hon. Senator Vivekanand Sharma
Hon. Senator Kaur Battan Singh
Hon. Senator Ralu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Select Committee on the Gold Industry—appointed 9.8.73
Hon. Senator Ratu Mosese V. Tuisawau
Hon. Senator R. I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Ratu Napotioni Dawai
Hen Senator Dr. F A. S. Emberson
Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E.. J.P.
Hansard Reporters :
Mrs. M. Nabaiarua
Miss M. Biggs
MissC. M. Pillai
MissS. K. Prasad
Mrs. E. C King
Miss N. N. Khan
Editor of Official Reports :
Mr. Rajendra Kumar


Page
Public Trustee (Amendment) Bill, 1973 66-6 7
Questions and Replies , 2-8,34-39, 244, 346, 416-21
Ravilevu Crown Land Subdivision sought 12-21
Rehabilitation Programmes for Ex-Prisoners 525-33
Report of the Joint Select Committee on New Parliament Building 417-19
Report of the Senate Select Committee on Commercial Rent ..". 275, 32 7-60
Revision of Laws Relating to Driving Schools .491-95
Savings Bank of Fiji Bill, 1973 .430-37
Select Committee on Land Tenure Systems in Fiji 300-301
Select Committee to consider Priorities allocated by the Ministry for
Agriculture, Fisheries and Forests -. . 120-41
Select Committee to enquire into and make recommendations on the Gold
Industry in Fiji 304-307
Select Committee to enquire into and make recommendations on the
Land Leasing practices in Fiji . .310-27
Select Committee to examine and report on the recommendation of the Public
Accounts Committee on the Report of the Auditor-General .271-75
Select Committee to Investigate and Make Recommendations on the Feasibility
of Subsidy System tnwaids some widely consumed Imported Food Products . .484-90
Senate Select Committee to Study Population Trends 275-300
Standing Committee on Energy 683-89
Statement by Minister 39. 268
Stock improvement {Amendment) Bill. 1973 1c2-63
Subdivision of Land Ordinance (Amendment) Bill, 1973 443-44
1972 Supplementary Appropriation Bill, 1973 473-74
Suspension of Standing Orders 97. 159, 205,239, 245-46. 247-48,
310, 473,495. 535-36. 567
Town Planning (Amendment Bill, 1973 438-43
Trade Disputes Bill, 1973 170-213
Treasury Bills Bill. 1973 89
Upgrading of Road between Natuvu and Dakuntba 239-42
Veterinary Surgeons Bill, 1973 446-51
Withdrawal of Motion 268-69


, 1973
Department of Inland Revenue - Report for the year 1970 (P.P.
NO. 26/72}
Department of Agriculture - Report for the year 1971 (P.P. NO.
27/72)
Fiji Development Bank ~ Report for the year ended 30th June,
1971 (P.P. HO. 28/72)
Fiji Servicemen's Aftercare Pund - Management Committee's Report
for 1971 (P.P. NO. 29/72)
Town Planning Board - Report for the year 1971 (P.P. M ) . 31/72)
Fiji National Provident Fund - Chairman's Annual Report for the
financial year ending 30th June,1972 (G.N.187, F.R.G. 7/2/73).
QUESTIONS AND REPLIES
VUOI ROAD
(Question Ko.5/72)
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATfAN SINGH asked the Government,upcn notice;-
Will Government please approve payments of a further sum to the
Divisional "Development Committee for the tarseali-ng of the Vuci
Road from the existing first Tram Line to the end of Raralovu
settlement?
HON. SENATOR FAT.T3T.- Priority for tarsealing of rural roads
is set "by Divisional Development Committees every year. This year
and similarly in 1971 and 1972 $6,000 has been allocated to the
Central Division for tarsealinr of roads in thp.t Division. This
alloeatior will be cpent on the following roads:-
Vatuvula Village, ifeitasiri $4,000
Krishna Janardhan School, Korovou $ 800
Latianara Jiemorial School, Navua $1,200
This makes a total of $6,000, Sir.
In the first two years of Development Plan VI, the allocations
of the Central Division for tarsealing of roads amounted to 312,000
and were all spent on Vuci Road* It was therefore not envisaged that
Government will spend additional money on this road this year.
Vuci Road is not ti'G only road in the Central Division that
needs tarsealing. There are roads fronting villages and settlements
along the Kings and Queens Roads whose need for tarsealing is just
as great, if not more than Vuci Road and ought to be considered. If
next year it is felt that tarsealing of Vuci Road should receive
priority rating,then it will be put up to the Divisional Development
Committee to decide.
ELECTRICITY SUPPLY TO VUIEUTTA
(Question No. 6/72)
HOW. SM/1T0R 1CAUR "RATTAN 3IIT0H asked the Government,xipon notice:-

Wili Government please inform the Tlouse when electricity supglyi
and water reticulation will be made available to the residents
of the Vuiduna area at Ilausori? "'
HON. STATOR 7AIVKY.- Mr. President, Blr, the answer to the part
of the question relating to water s; pply is largely contained in the
answers to questions numbers 7 and 8 or? other aspects of the Nausori
water supply. In particular the scheme has not proved to be economic
after close examination although it is under permanent ?tfeview along
with the possibility cf an extension towards oawani. It is understood
that tn" e Si'va City Council^- ah a nectl'v; in Av/r • st, 1972 agreed to
extend the electrical retici.'ll.tj on to Vniduna provided a minimum of
30 consumers applied for connections with a minimum consumption of
electricity for each one o$L $3 per month. Wo further action has been
taken by the Suva City Council.
WATER SIFJPELY - BAUI^VU ROAD
(Question Ko. 7/72)
HON. SENATOR. KAUR BATTAN BItfGH asked the Government, upon notices-
Will Government please .• inform the House when water supply will
be made available to tHe end of Baulevu Road?
HGi:. SENATOR PALVBT-- There are no plans at present to extend '
the water supply to Baulevu Road. The Rewa water supply system is
currently being extended to1provide additional treatment facilities
and until this work is completed, no major main extensions will be
carried out. Before a supply can be given t.o Baulevu it would "be
necessary to lay a pipe from the Mosque at JTausori through Verata
supply en. route Vuiduna and Naqeledamu Roads and on to Baulevu. A
supply from the other s^i-de of the river from Eavuso is not possible
because of the small diameter pipes at present laid to Havuso. The
only possible way of providing a supply in the near future would be a
separate scheme taking water from the Rewa River and treating and
pumping to a small reservoir. The economics of such a scheme and the
engineering feasibility have not been assessed. We have also had
problems with staffing and we hope that once we have our full comple-
ment, investigations will bo made.
WA'nER SUPPLY - BOOSTER PUMPS
(Question K G . 8/72)
HON. SENATOR KAUR BA'!"PAN ^IITGH asked the Government, upon notics-
Will Government pieo.ee consider seriously the" installation of
booster pumps at Yuci,V"isama, yaini^okasl and Lakena areas where
the pressure is very low?
HOK. S13MT0R PALVBY.- Mr. President, Sir, because of what I said
in answer to one of the earlier questions, question TTo.8 becomes
redundant. I would suggest that the "best thing for the honourable
senator to do would J5e to withdraw that question but I will undertake
to give him the note*I have which I would otherwise have given him.

HON. SENATOH KAUR BATTAN SINGH asked the Government(i?>on notices- •
Will Government please consider providing more funda to the
Police Department for the purchase of at least two additional
landrovers, one for the Tailevu Police Station and one for the
Nausori Police Station?
HON. SENATOR FALVEY.- Mr. President, Sir, the following vehicles
are on issue to Rewa Division including Levuka Police Station:-
Landrovers - Nausori, 1; Korovou 1; Total 2
Mini Minor - Nausori, 1; Korovou -; Total 1
A Mini Moke which was on issue to Korovou Police Station was found
impracticable due to bad roads and was eventually wrecked and written
off. There was a lapse of about six months until the replacement
vehicle, a landrover, Gould be issued. This has proved reliable,
entirely satisfactory and sufficient to cope with needs most of the
time. Nausori Police Station could do with one additional landrover
as it is a very busy-station and present demands for usage are heavy.
It must be said that in every Police Station no matter how many vehi-
cles there are on issue there are always occasions where urgent almost
simultaneous demands occur. In 3uch eventualities authority to hire
taxis is given, a far cheaper proposition, than carrying at all timea
an extra vehicle and driver; the driver of course would use up quarter
space ;}ust to meet the occasional extra need,
RARAIiEVU CEMETRT
(Question Ho. 10/72)
HON. SENATOR KAX3R BATTAN SINGH asked the Government, upon notice-
Nausori residents are concerned about the deplorable condition of
Raralevu Cemetery, is the G-overnment considering making any effort
in making the cemetery a respectable burial ground?

HOW. SENATOR FALY8Y.- Hr. President, Sir, for sometime in larfce
1972 an early 1975, Sara-lew Cemetery was without a caretaker, with.
the result ttiat it then deteriorated somewhat. Arangements have been
made to clean up the Cemetery grounds thoroughly. This work is already,
in progress. Consideration is also being given to the question of
repairing the gate. It is hoped that the new caretaker (who has now
been appointed) will now be able to cope uith the day-to-day job of
keeping the Cemetery clean and the fences and the parking areas in
good condition.
COST OP NEW ZEALAND POTATOES
(Question No.', 11/72)
HON. ICAUR BATTAN SlftGfl asked the Government, upon notice:-
Will Government inform the House as to the landed cost of
the shipments of New Zealand potatoes imported by the National
Marketing Authority and secondly, the price they' were sold out
to the local retailers and consumers?
HON. SENATOR FAXVEY.- The answers are as follows:-
(a) The cost insurance and freight price of potatoes imported,
by the National Marketing Authority from New Zealand is the
equivalent of 6.38 cents per pound.
(b) These potatoes were sold to customers at 8 cents per pound.
It has to be appreciated thox financial losses through loss ofl
weight and rotting in each consignment represent roughly 15 per ceni|
and this had to be met from the 1.62 cents profit made from each
pound of potatoes.
EXPATRIATES MPIOTED BY COKMT^CIAL FIRMS
(Question No. 1/73)
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH asked the Government,upon notice:-
Will Government inform the House of the number of expatriate
employees employed by commercial firms in Fiji?
HON. SENATOR FALVBY.- Mr. President, Sir, the number of
work permits issued to expatriates employed by local firms in Hji bet-
'ween 1971 and January 1973 is as follows:-
1971 ' 543
1972 1,031
1973 105 (for one month only)
TOTAL 1 , 6 8 9

Th^se figures include private investors and those carrying out their
own "business activities. There is a note to the answers, to this
question, although, not forming part of it, Sir, which, is to the
effect that out of the total of 1,639, some numbers are bound to have
left Piji in the period to which I have referred.
ADVANCES BT FIJI DBVELOBiBNT BANK
(Question Bo. 2/73)
HON. SENATOR KAUR BJ#TAH SINGH asked the Government,upon notice*-
Wi3:! Government please advise the House of the number and
amount of advances made ~ by the Fiji Development Bank to Euro-
peans, Indians, Fijians and other races in the dominion?
HON. SENATOR FALV3Y.- I beg the honourable Senator's pardon,
Sir, but I do not seem to have the file relating to'that question,
but it may give me an opportunity to tell the House (and him) that
in respect of question 2 onwards, (1 have already mentioned to the
honourable Senator) the files are simply not ready. If they are
ready tomorrow, they will be delivered. Failing that, I think the
better course would be for them to be sent to him in writing and he
would be free to publish them.
MR. PRESIDENT.- Is the House agreeable to the answers to these
questions being brought forward on to the next Order Paper?
HON. SENATORS.- Aye.
BUILDING- INDUSTRY - LOCAX LABOUR, BUILDING COSTS, ETC.
(Question No. 10/73)
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAH *SINGH asked the Government,upon rotice:-
Has any empirical study been carried out by the construc-
tion companies on local labour and costs and subsequently on
building costs, rents and general- inflation in the country?
HON. SENATOR FAXVEY.- Mr. President, Sir, as far as ie known,
no study as such has been made by any construction company on local
labour costs and other related matters. However, when a contractor
particularly if he is experienced makes any estimate of a particular
job much of his estimation will be based on past experienceregarding
the type of labour he has, he will generally keep a close watch on
costs of materials, transport et cetera. Basic wage rates have rism
as much, as 75 per cent when compared to rates current before the 1st
May, 1972. It appears therefore that increased labour costs have
contributed to increase in overall building costs. Such increases are
ultimately reflected increased rents, prices .of land and related
development costs also have a bearing on this problem. 1 take the
honourable members point that perhaps his question has been misunder-
stood.



Mr. President, Sir, you will. recall that in th« last meeting of
the Senate, certain technical points were raised an<3- the consideration
of this Bill was deferred. Since, then the honourable the Attorney-
General and other honourable Senators have given considerable thought
to tM.s Bill and we have come to the conclusion that this 3j.ll is not
proJlBrly before the Senate and that the vote in the House of Repre-
sentatives was in "broach of tlie Cr nslilution and therefore a nullity.
For the purpose of record,it is onl" proper that 1 should explain
why this is so.
Mr. President, Sir, the Senate is a House of revision. The
Senate is a watch-dog of Parliamentary procedure. We will be failing
in our duty if we do not point out any error or omission or any con-
stitutional defect in procedure.
Under the provisions of Section 61 of our Constitution the House
of Representatives cannot proceed upon any "Bill that makes provision
for the imposition of taxation, except upon the recommendation of the
Cabinet, signified by a minister. You will notice, Sir, that Clause 3
of the Bill before the House creates a nex^ tax known as the Land Sales
Tax. '-the title of the Bill reads: "to provide for the regulation of
certain dealings in land and the taxation of profits thereon."
It is obvious that the prinicipal ob2ect of the Government in
presenting the Bill is to curb speculation in land deals and not to
impose new taxation. However, Sir, as the Bill stands now, there is
no doubt that it falls within the ambit of Section 61 of the Consti-
tution.
I have with me the "Hansard" of the 22nd and 23rd November, 1972
when this Bill was considered by the House of Representatives. It
seems that inadvertently the procedu >"e laid down by the Constitution
for this sort of legislation was not, followed. There is therefore
Constitutional defect in the presentation of the "Hill.
It would be idle to ougge:-t that the Bill did not have the
approval of the Cabinet, but the fact remains that the Constitutional
requirement of signifying the consent was not followed.
furthermore, the honourable the Attorney-General has come to the
conclusion, and X fully agree with him, Sir, that this '3111 falls
within the ambit of Section 68 of fhe Constitution. Clauses 6 and 7
of the Bill are repugnant to or inconsistent with section 8 of the
Native Land Trust Ordinance. Accord ingly, t'ie "".ill cannot be passed
by Parliament unless it hrs support, at the final voting thereon in
the House, of the votes of • not less than throe-quarters, of all the
members of the House. Tliis moans that this Bill should have had the
support of at least 39 members of the House of Representatives. The
Hansard shows that the House of Representatives passed this Bill by
23 votes in favour and 8 against it. Thus it did not have the neces-
sary su-pport in the House of Representatives as required by our Con-
stitution and the Bill therefore in its present form is not properly
before the Senate.

I should make it clear, Oil1, that by certain amendments the Bill
can be taken out of the ambit of Suction 68 of the Constitiition^
However, tlie irregularities 1 have mentioned cannot be cured or recti-
fied by the Sem-te. 'i'he only course open to us ic wither to reject
the -'ill on Constitutional grounds or to refer it back to the House
of Representatives.
As regards the first alternative, Sir, I think it would not be
proper Tor this house to debate a "3111 which we know to be a nullity.
I, therefore, respect fully surest that the Bill be referred back
to the house oi Representatives with a message that it is not properly
before the Senate. Mr. President, Sir, I seek your ruling on this
point.
HOTT. SENATOR FALVBY.- Mr. President, Sir, I have to eat humble
pie today because as the legal adviser to the Government of Fiji it
is my duty to search out mat Lore that may be unconstitutional.
I concede, Sir, tlKit the point of order that the honourable the
Senator lias just raised is well 'nken and I a^ree with him entirely
and also r.gree witbthe proposal that he has put to you, Sir, for your
ruling.
My opinion on this matter turned almost entirely upon section 8
of the Native hand Trust Ordinance and if you would forbear with me
for a little w'ilc, Sir, I .Vfill explain what it was.
The 13111 whicb had been debated elsewhere contained a definition
of ''dealing" which included any 3 ease. Now, section 8 of the Native
Land Trust Ordinance says that it should be lawful for the Native
Land Trust Board to grant any lease or licence. Now, in clauses 6
and 7 of the Bill to w-'ich we are referring there was a requirement
that before any dealing in certain lands should take place there
should be a prior consent of the Minister of Finance. That, Sir,
derogated from the power - the absolute and untrammelled power- of
the Native Land i'rust Board to grant a lease. And it is for that
reason that 1 concluded at a very late hour that the Bill was uncon-
stitutional. 3y that time it had already passed through the House of
Representatives. It is not an excuse, but I may say, Sir, that I was
absent ill at that time. But I still do not think I would have picked
it up. The point, I think, is one that arises by inference and would
not have been noticed had'i:, not been for certain amendments proposed
by the honourable Senator Katu Jone Mataitini. I do concur in the
course proposed.
HON. SENATOR SARVAU SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, the nation has
heard my two learned brothers on this Bill and I entirely agree with
them. With, all due respect to the other honourable House I would
like to point out to the people of Fiji, those who are making a hue
and cry against the Senate t o d a y . . . .
MR. PPJlBnX'ifr11.- Orderl that is not ,tin the point of order.

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HON. SENATOR SARVAN SINGH.-^e are pleased, Sir, that the Senate
has picked up this irregularity and I do agree that this Bill be
referred back to the House of Representatives.
HON. SENATOR RATU MATAITINI.- Mr. President, Sir, I whole-
heartedly support what the honourable mover has put forward — that
the Bill be referred back= to the House of Representatives.
Hay I just add a few words to that, Sir. Although we from the
Council of Chiefs Chiefs picked the demerits of the Bill, we do thank
the honourable mover to have deferred this, because im putting the
reason for our being against the Bill.
MR. PRESIDENT.- Order1 You are slipping away from the actual
point of order.
HON. SENATOR RATU MATAITINI.- I was going to thank him very
much, Sir, for having the Bill referred back to the other House. A
mischievous person might construe the meaning behind our opposition
as adding to the alleged political unrest in the country.
The honourable Attorney-General has referred to Section 8 of the
Native land Trust Ordinance. I may add too, Sir, that Section 12 also
has been contravened,and there are other sections of the Constitution
too, Sir, that were not followed when the House of Representatives
passed this Bill. Although I might have many more things to say, in
short, I thank the honourable the mover and the honourable the
Attorney-General for having this Bill referred back to the House.
Having it referred back to the other House does not mean we are
"killing" the Bill. They can present the Bill as it is, Sir, but may
I request them, Sir, that when they reconsider the Bill, to remember
the points that we are against.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, the only
thing I would like to mention is that I am surprised that this Bill
has come up so far and I am pleased to hear the assurance given by
the honourable and learned the Attorney-General and the honourable
mover that this matter would be referred back to the House below and
I hope in future....
MR. PRESIDENT.- Order' You must stop at that point. We are not
concerned with the future. We are only concerned with this point of
order. I am pleased that the Bill is being referred back to the other
House.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH-- Mr. President, Sir, I am pleased
that the Bill is being referred to the other House.
MR. PRESIDENT.- Order I • I rule that the point of order is valid
and I direct that the Bin1 ^e referred back to the House of Represen-
tatives.
The other two items »vc t ave on the Order Paper this morning are
the two motions. I think we mif} + adjourn now for twenty minutes and
then proceed with the motions.
The House adjourned at 1,0.45 a.m.
The House resumed at 11,05 a.m.

; KAVTLSVl- CRO'.tti LAND SUBDIVISION SOUGHT
H0I1. SENATOR ;;ArrU LALAiXALAV't.J..- Kr. President, Sir, 1 beg to
move: that in the opinion of this House, in view of the recent
-unemployment in the islands of Taveuni, Laucala and Vanua Levu due to
the decrease in the price of copra, and in view of the uncertain
future of this commodity, Government should take immediate steps to
sub-divide Itavxlov" Crown land into economic holdings and build access
roads to enable the market in;1; of produce such as rice, bananas,
Yaqona, dalo and other crops.
II01J. SSNATOH KA1;R BAXTAT SINGH.- tir. President, Sir, I beg to
second the motion.
EOS. SENATOH /ATIJ LAJ.A3ALAVU.- Mr. President, Sir, the Fiji
economy has traditionally been b^cod upon agriculture with sugar and
copra as its leading elements. In view of the rising "unemployment in.
the island of Taveuni, Laucala and Vanua Lovu, due to the decrease in
the price of copra., and in view of the uncertain future of this com-
modity, I suggest tlint Government take immediate steps to sub-divide
the Ilfivilevi.j Grown land into economic holdings and build access roads
to enable the farnnng of market produce such HE rice, bananas, dalo
and. other produce.
Kavilevn Crown land is about 29,O"0 acres 'in area and lies on the
south-eastorn part of the garden island of Fiji. Ho development has
been carried out on this particular land and at present we have thick
natural bush which covers the whole area. I hope it is time Govern-
ment did something about subdividing this land because our fate is at
the mercy of nature and there is a shortage of food in this country
every year. If we can produce food, according to our own needs from
our own soil, we can solve our development a:id unemployment problems.
Mr. President, Sir, I suggest that a long-term lease be issued
on these sub-divisions and first priority be granted to the unemployed
copra cutters and. school leavers from the areas which I earlier men-
tioned. I also suggest, ^r. President, Sir, that Government should
provide technical officers such as agricultural field assistants,
field officers and local marketing authorities et cetera to assist
the farmers concerned in the same manner as applied at Lomaivuno.
V/ith your permission, Sir, ma.y I quote from the Development Plan YI,
page 13, paragraph 1.53 ana page 86, paragraphs 07 and 88:
"The Problem of Unemployment:
The need to give high pr:i ority Lo the expansion of agricul-
ture, industry and tourism, and more especially agriculture, is
reinforced by the prospective long-term deterioration in the
employment situation. The labour force is presently increasing
at" a rate of more than Tour per cent por-annum. In absolute
terms thin neans a ronuirement X'or over 6,000 additional jobs a
year. Indications arc that this number of job opportunities
have not boon forthcoming in recent years."

Agricultural policy dimity; the period of Development Plan
VI will concentrate on t^o major objectives; raising the incomes
of farmers and increasing rural employment. The attainment of
these objectives' will involve, among other things, increasing
the value added of the whole sector from $48.4 million in 1970
to $57.7 million in 1975, qit 1970 prices, i.e. at an annual
average rate of 3.5 per cent. By concentrating on the protection
of the main commodities whicn are currently being imported the
problem of identifying suitable export markets will not "be . as
serioua during DP VI as it will become in the longer run. The
raising of farmer incomes 'will depend to a certain extent on how
the terms of trade between farmers and other producers shift.
It will also depend on the extent to which average annual output
per farmer can be increased. Give the planned growth in value
added, and that the number of people willing to remain active in
the cash agricultural sect,or increases from an estimated 47,900
in 1970 to 58,300 in 1975, then output per man year will rise at
0.5 per cent per annum. Thus both rural employment and farmers'
incomes will rise."
And paragraph 8.8:
"In a wider sense, the objective of agricultural development
is to provide the rural population wifeh a more meaningful and
satisfying way of life, with status and amenities more canparable
with those in urban areas;.. This will not only involve the
attainment of the main objectives stated_above, but will also
require the .implementation of many other/programmes outlined in
this Plan. The most notable of these are the creation 01 the
National Marketing Authority; the progress of rural infrastaic-*
ture in the form of roads^ jetties, water supplies and tele-
communications; the extension of rural education and health
facilities; and the effective .implementation of fiscal, monetary
and other policies designed to moderate increasing urban-rural
disparitd.es."
Mr* President, Sir, I hope that what 1 quoted from the Develop-
ment Plan VI will go along with the intention of this motion. Mr.
President, Sir, I commend the motion to the House.
HON. SENATOR SARVAN SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, -we understand
that there are 29,000 acres of land lying vacant for years in the
garden island of Fiji.
Fiji is an agricultural country and we import foodstuff from
overseas, especially Australia and New Zealand. The shipping rates
are going up day by day and there is spiralling, inflation in this
country, therefore I do not see any reason why th,is land should not
"be -sub-divided according to the terms of this motion and people whc»
are umnployed in Taveuni, due to the decrease in price of copra, ar©
given a. chance to find employment. We can increase our food growing

ins toad of Importing; ;.t l e a s t we can u:-.;e that food i'or home consump-
t j on and. thereby brirt{>; inflation down.
I wholeheartedly support t h i s motion.
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i s not only the garden island of our dominion, but i t xn sanGtime
said to be perhaps the ;aost f e r t i l e island 1;. the whole world,
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Presently tourism, Sir, is a growing industry but approximately
33 per cent of revenue He get from tourism goes back to Australia and
Hew Zealand to pay for imported foodstuffs. The Government should
look at our trained people who are qualified in agricultural fields
and these people should be employed in the Department specifically
to look after production of food in Fiji. An expert in agricultural
extension service from Australia, who had been holding a senior post
in the Department, was taken out from his post and given a watch-dog
position in Vanua Levu. Secondly, one who had boen a top-man in the
Agricultural Ministry had been taken out from there to another
entirely new Ministry which is quite different from his training. This
move would certainly create some of the problems Fiji is facing at
the present time, that people with, specific qualifications are taken
out from the place they sh.ou.ld be fitted best. With those remaps,
Sir, I support the motion.
HON. SENATOR TABUA.- Mr. President, Sir, I would be dishonest
not to stand to support the motion before the House. I am1also grate-
ful to the honourable member who has just resumed his seat for men-
tioning something about party. What is important to me in this motion
is.that the people -from Taveuni will" benefit from this motion, and 1
think It Is about time PIji and the people in Fiji be educated to knew
what is important to them and not to just go along on party lines as
regarding what is good for the nation as a whole. I support this
motion because X know the subdivision of this Crown land will help
the people of Taveuni and the surrounding islands.
. The opening up of feeder roads in Taveuni. I was there during
the last General Election and I saw the disadvantages- the farmers face
in regard to transportation of their produce to the port for shipment
to Suva, and down to Tuna and Somosomo, to sell their produce. That
is why, Mr. President Sir, 1 stand to support this motion because It
will be good for the people of Taveuni and for PIji as a whole.
Taveuni is known as the Garden of ?lji and It will be a useless garden
if we do not open up roads and look for avenues to open up development
in the place to help the people therein. Mr. President, Sir, with
those few words, I support the motion.
HON. SSTCATOR RATU MATAIIINI.- Mr. President, Sir, I rise to
support the motion. I might challenge the contents, Sir, but may I
mention that in Fiji, land-owning can be divided Into three categorise.
One is those owned by freeholders, one Is owned by the Grown/Crown
land^ and one by the Native Land Trust Board. Whenever there is a
question about land, it Is aimed at the Native Land Trust Board; but1
now In Vanua Xevu this 29,000 acres of Crown land is lying idle over
there, Sir. Why was It not pointed at before Instead of fingers being
pointed at the Mative Land Trust Board regarding Fijian land? I sup-
port this motion.
HON. SMATOR RATU TUISAWAU.- Sir, I rise to support the motion
before the House and I am grateful to the mover for bringing this,
motion up and highlighting the problems that our people In that part
of the country are facing. However, I am sure many members o'f the:

House would agree thrvfc there seems to be an upward trend in the price
of copra, at the present time and th.i s might, in the lonr- -run help
also to alleviate the sufferings tliere. But, nevertheless, Sir, the
motion is timely and useful in focussing our attention away from Suva*
In our neighbouring country, New Zealand, because of the relative
lack of development in the South Island, it is sometime joked by the
South Islanders (or the mainlanders as they are proud to cal 1 them-
selves) "perhaps we shox^ld shift the capital to Otago", So, in the
same way, Sir, not entirely in a light vein, "but seriously, problems
of Yanra L e w could bo on the mind more If this honourable Eopse
would vote sometime in t>ie future that the capital of Fiji be shifted
to Taveuni or to labasa. Although it might be in a slightly lio-ht-
hearted vein, hunan beings by their nature "immediately fo'cus' on'what
is surrounding them. That Suva may not remain capital of Fiji is of
course utterly remote, Sir. Fmch of the economic problems of Vanua
Levu, the development there, Sir, I respectfully pvt before the House*
could be solved or helped along by one or two matters which we have
already discussed and mentioned In this honourable House, namely a
port of entry for Vanua Levu (either at Labasa or Savusavu) axid
various secondary industries or tertiary industries related to copra
farming, like oil mills, et cetera. I appreciate, Sir, that at the
time we mentioned it, the honourable Leader of Government Business of
course assured us that some sort of study will be ma.de to see what
are the feasibilities of this sort of exercise.
I agree, Sir, with the .last Immediate speaker. It comes as a. bit
of jolt these days when you think of land scarcity, that a good size-
able chunk of 29,000 acres of Crown land are there, unsubdivided, on
the island of Taveuni. It escapes one's imagination because Taveuni
throughout the history of this country has played a very Important
role? and one sort of staggers at the idea of a large chunk of this
land lying there for utilisation. I go aioii" with the mover of the
motion that the Ministry of Lands should look into this question, and
see whether subdivision of such land could help in resettling some of
the workers on these copra plantations who might be living a rather
precarious, hand-to-mouth existence at the mercy of the fluctuations
in the international prices of copra,
The other big factor in this sort of economic equation is the
question of transport. There might be beautiful dalo and other crops
In 3?aveun.i, but of course dalo in Taveunx is a different commodity
from dalo in the . Suva Market. So some sort of immediate stop-gap
exercise should be done to solve the transport equation. The news
media has given us a picture of t-e difficulty t'oe farmers face In
transporting their produce to the main centres. Whereas there is a high
demand here, all these crops are useless because of the transporbation
problem.
If there are monopolistic practices which do not allow other
companies to set up the operation of cargo vessels of' a moderate size
(say 100 tons), then these monopolistic practices should be done away
with. I am sure, Sir, that the Government of the day has the power In
Its hands and they know better in this direction because they have a


Sir, the other matter in the motion in the question of building
access roads to enable the marketing of produce auch as rice, .eta.
This has been thrashed out so many tines but I think it is important
to record here that it is a bit depressing and disappointing when you
come across people in high posts, and they say, "Sorry, we cannot give
you the roads; you plant your taviokn or dalo first. Do as much
planting ns yo^ can; you have good land here. Then we will give you
there two or throe miles of roading." It may well be, Sir, that there
is no hard and fundamental principle established but it seems to be
widely held by tv:ose who kri'-w these days, that you put the road first.
Tou should put the horse before the cart. The road comes first and
that gives incentive to people to plant up and open up land for
development. Also if there is a road, people can move away from
overcrowded villages and say, "I will go and farm thsit land which waa
inaccessible in the past." Needleoo to say, Sir, Sigatoka Valley is
a prime example where the road was put in and a very high rate of
agricultural development has now taken place there. So the important
thing is the proper hitching of the horse, with the cart behind, and
not, as I have said, like it is said in some high quarters, that you
do the planting first and then bring in the road.
With those remarks, Sir, I support the motion*
HON. SENATOR ANASEIUI QIONIBARAVI.- Mr. President, Sir, I wish
to voice my opinion that I am afraid I cannot support the^motion,
because the honourable mover has mentioned Crown land for subdivision
but has not made clear what the position of native land is on the
Island.
I certainly agree, Sir, that people in the rural areas, who form
about 70 per cent of our country's population, are facing a difficult
time. But porhaps the problems that we face now in the rural areas
would work to our advantage, in that we may be able to encourage people
to make the best n.se of what it; available to them instead of relying
on the Government to continue to make things available to people in
rural areas. Por example, horses can be used for transport if roads
are not built. The schemes th---t can be organised by people can be put
to the best advantage by making use of available expertise in differ-
ent departments, far example, that from the Agriculture Department for
advice and the National Marketing Authority for marketing. In co-
ord :in at.i on wit!1 this, the Department of Co-operatives could help out
.in marketing and making available to the people in rural areas the
products th"t they wish to be made available to them for their own
consumption. These th.ings, I am afraid, are inclined to be left to
the Government to organise for the people.
I do feel that the honourable mover has certain feelings about
the island of Tg/veuni and the area there. But I do not agree that it
is nuch more important than any other rural areas, because there are
other areas in Fiji which are facing the same difficulty. And I feel
that people in these areas should be encouraged by members of the
Senate and of the House of Representatives who are responsible fcr the
different constituencies, to find out ways of solving these problems,
instead of asking Government to make available to them what they can
themselves do to help themselves.

Mr. President, 1 cannot 'help but oppose the motion.
HON. SENATOR l^AIU TAGIVETAUA,- Mr. President, I stand to support
the motion before the House for three main reasons,
firstly, Sir, as the honourable mover has mentioned, the Imple-
mentation of this exercise, if it was to be taken by Government, wen Id
help copra workers - not only In Taveuni but also In the surrounding
areas - to find other means of finding their livelihood. There are
people working In copra estates In Taveuni and nearby islands, Sir,
who have been engaged in these copra works for years and years and
most of them seem to have nothing else or no other feature to think
of, but stick on to these copra estates all their lives, with their
places in these estates.1' I am sure, Sir, that if this land was to be
opened up, most bf- these people would be willing to take up lots on
this subdivision and they would then be able to own some land which
they would be able to call their own and they would be able to culti-
vate It.
The second reason that I have in mind, Sir, is that, as my
honourable friend, Ratu Mosese has explained, I think this is one of
the ways that wi.11 help people in urban areas, particularly in Suva.
If these lands were opened upand people were encouraged to plant
more food crops such as dalo, it might help to bring down the high
prices that are now prevailing in our local markets. We have heard
in the not very distant past, Sir, that dalo is brought from the
Islands of Kadavu, Lau, lomaiviti and Taveuni, and this has helped a
great deal to alleviate the problems of shortage and high prices, in
the markets in Sw^., and I am sure that this will help a great deal
in the future.
Thirdly, Sir, and I think this Is the most important; the sub-
division of this vast area of land will greatly help some of the
evictees from some of the native reserves that are now taking place
all over the country. We find people who have been evacuated from
their lands which they have been leasing for years when the leases
have expired, and most of these people find difficulty In finding
suitable land to go to, to find their living. And I am certain, Sir,
that if this piece of land in Taveuni is opened up, most of the
evictees from native reserves around Vanua Levu and also in Vitilevu,
can. also apply to take up lots in this subdivision.
For these reasons, Sir, I support the motion.
HOH. SENATOR INIA.- Mr. President, Sir, I also rise to support
the motion because it calls upon the Government to make land that Is
lying idle at the moment to be put to productive use. Where I come
from, there is no idle land, and although you would like to grow
another crop rather than the old copra, you cannot do that. I notice
that the crops mentioned in the motion, are quite different from the
main crop of our island, which happens to be coconut. This is a
diversify cation of produce grown on our island and I would like to
support it very strongly. I think it In about time now that we lea?"


places. However, if Govcrrm-.nt 's duty is to soe tlvt roads are built
for you good people here in Viti L e w , I cannot see why Government*
could not build roads from Viti %-ew. right over to Tpveuni - over the
sea as well.
HON. SENATOR RATTJ TUTSAV/AU.- Vinaka, inakal
HGN. SENATOR INIA.- If roads .cannot be built, what about provi-
ding boats to cart the goods and call it a government boat like a
government road? X put that suggestion, Mr. .President, In order to
be fair to those of us who live in the islands. I strongly support
diversification In crops. Host of those crops help the local market
because most of them would be sold here in Fiji. If there is diversi-
fication, it would help in controlling inflation which Government is
finding difficult to control, -particularly in urban areas.
With those few remarks, Mr* President, I support the motion.
HOK. SENATOR RATU LALABALAVU.- Mr. President, Sir, I am very
thankful to those honourable senators who have coni-ributed to this
motion. I have little to add or reply and I coranend the motion to
the House.
Motion agreed to.
GRIEVANCES OF FIJI JUNIOR 'C GRAES PASS STUDENTS
HOH. SENATOR SARVAK SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move
that the Ministry of Education should take the necessary steps imme-
diately to alleviate the legitimate grievances of Fiji Junior ' C
G-rade students and to admit them to Form 5 for the Hew Zealand School
Certificate classes.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINC-H.- Mr. President, Sir, I beg to
second the motion.
HON. SENATOR SARVAN SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, before I speaic
on this motion, I would like to inform this House that this is a very
sincere and genuine motion to help those students who appeared for
the Fiji Junior examinations last year and who secured 'C grade
passes. I underline the word "passes". They did pass the Fiji Junior
examination but with '0' grade. Principally, once you pass an exami-
nation, you are not supposed to appear again for the same examination.1
Tou do not want to read the same textbooks, view the same un&erlinings
in the margin, do Shakespeare, and go over the same poetry. I know
something about Labasa and I have also received a petition from Ba
Students Council, which I may just read out with your permission.
They have signed this- petition and t ere are about 150 students, boys
and girls, who have passed with ' C grade and they Jiumbly request -feat
the senators do something about their plight. If I may quote, Sir:
"The Ba Students Council representing high school students in
the Ba area is of the opinion that the recent Education Depart-
• merit policy of excluding Fiji Junior 'C grade passes from

schools is unjustified, arbitrary and irresponsible. The ' C
grade was introduced in Fiji in the middle 196O's by the Educa-
tion Department. Now fee Department is saying that the decision is a
mistaken one. If the Education Department has made a mistake we
feel that the Department should accept the consequences of its
mistake. Why should innocent '0' graders suffer.
Further, we do not see how the 1971 ' C graders were consi-
dered competent to go to fifth forms while the 1972 ' C graders
are not. The Department has acted arbitrarily. We urge the
Government to rectify the situation before it is too late.11
I must, while on this motion, commend the teachers of the primary
and secondary schools who are doing their best. There are officers in
the Education .Department, some of whom are really brilliant and in
charge of curriculum (I have names but it would not "be proper to men-
tion names publicly) whose talents are being wasted by just sitting
there in the Department.
It may be said that there is no room for these '0* grade passes.
If I may inform. • the House, there is room, and this is news from
Labasa, for T C graders. . The public schools have taken the opportu-
nity to allow those who are really weak in the-'C grade to reappear,
and for some of them to take the School Certificate Examination but
with very fantastic school fees. I understand and I am subject to
correction, that certain schools in labasa charged $80 per annum for
schools fees for these students they have taken in their schools.
This, I must say, is a money-making business'. Building funds are only
a pretext; nothing is being built.
I would like the Government to issue a policy statement on this
' C grade, not after the declaration of the award, but' before the
results are declared, and I am sure they can at least make provision
for these 'C1 graders in the technical schools, in the teacher insti-
tution and in the agriculture schools. At the moment I know-in-labasa
a lot of these ' C graders are roaming about the streets. They are
doing, their best to obtain employment but there are no jobs to be
obtained. A recent creation in Labasa is the playhouse centre and I
see these young lads playing billiards when they should be in school.
They gamble, drink, and make a nuisance of themselves. Examination
in some cases is no criterion to success. We understand "the Education
Department intends to abolish the Glass 8 examination next year. The
answer that I received from the Education Department when I asked them
to supply some particulars regarding ' C graders is very short indeed.
But I am glad they did reply after a month's time of delay and after I
sent them a reminder.
I would like to inform the House the analysis of the Fiji Junior
Certificate results. In 1971 a total of 6,0-30 students sat Fiji
Junior Certificate Examination. There were 881 in 'A' grade; 1,579 in
l B ' grade and 1,186 in " C grade and 2,384 failures. 'A1 grade was
14.6 per cent, 'B' 26.2 per cent, ' C grade 19-7 per cent, and failure
rate was 39.5 per cent, the average pans rate for the year was 60.5
per cent.

Now last year, 1972; 6,822 students sat Fiji Junior out of which
965 passed in 'A' grade; 1,683 passed in 'Bf grade; 1,069 passed in
•C* grade and 3,105 failed. In 'A' grade the pass percentage vae
14.15; 'B' grade 24.67; * C grade 15.67 and the failure percentage
was 45.52, and the overall pass percentage in 1972 was 54.49. Thio
is the analysis I received from the Education Department for which I
am grateful to them.
Sir, those who suffer, those who feel the pinch are the people
who are requesting the honourable senators that at least something
be done about them. If the Government department is not going to take
'0' grade passes they should not say that they have passed in the ' C
grade. Let the f C grade be abolished altogether and let them keep
grades 'A' and *B* only. This anachronism should be abolished and
Government should make a public statement before results or before
the next examination is taken. And if anyone says there is no room
for them, I can assure you, Sir, a lot of them after they have made
public noise and processions, they have secured places, not in Govern-
ment schools, but in non-Government schools. If public schools can
obtain places for them, I do not see any reason why the Government
schools with this comparatively high taxation in Fiji cannot secure
places for these children.
With those few remarks, I commend this motion to the House and I
do pray that the honourable senators would, after due consideration,
do something about these children.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, the first
point I wish to make is that a pass in the examination is a pass. We
do, of course, in practice have students who have passed the examina-
tion with distinction and others who have obtained ordinary passes,
and some, in the case of Fiji Junior Examination, obtain "C" grade
passes.
I shall briefly give an example, Sir, The honourable mover of
the motion, I understand, has passed Bachelor of Art with distinction,
and the honourable and learned Attorney-General has also passed
Bachelor of Art but not with distinction. Does it mean that if 1he
honourable mover of this motion and the honourable and learned
Attorney-General were both in the teaching profession, that the
honourable mover would be allowed to teach and the honourable and
learned Attorney-General would not be given a teaching licence. The
same thing applies here, Sir. I see the honourable Senator is araOing,
so I might as well talk about the legal profession too.
Some lawyers pass the law degree with distinction and some have
Juat managed to pass - or obtained an ordinary pass. So, is it man-
datory that those who have passed with distinction should be allowed
to practise law? This is what the Education Department is saying that
students who have obtained "C" grade passes should not be allowed to
sit in the 5th Form.

Mr. President, Sir, those wham we call "late developers" should
|be given opportunity and proper time so that the student with [G" grade
passes could proceed with his or her further education. I submit,
ir. President, Sir, that students who obtain a pass should be given ai
opportunity to pursue the fifth] form course. Examinations, as the)
lonourable mover has said, are n|»t the true criteria to judge one8e
potential or his true worth and I hlave my doubts abotf; the validity or"
reliability of the Fi;Ji Junior Certificate Examination itself.
Studenta who passed Fiji Juniot Certificate Examination with ' C
Jpada, when given opportunity to sijb for the Few Zealand School Certi-
ficate Examination or New Zealand University Entrance Examination,
have passed these two examinatipns with distinctions; and we have'
Jvidence of this in Fiji. Further;, to discard ttC" graders seems too
fcremature a step to say that he or she is not fit to &o for anv further
education.
The final point which I would ±iKe to make is that the Education
department is determined to bar the "C" graders from going to the fifth
£ons this year, "but at least, the Education Department should be honest
enough., to-abolish the-^'C" grade passes.- By issuing a -"C". gra&9 - pass
Certificate, Sir, it only goes' to show that the Education Department
is issuing a certificate certifying that a student had a successful
failure in the examination. In my respectful view, Sir, it is absolut-
ely criminal for the Education Department to issue an educational
Certificate to a child an3 then turn around to say that this certifi-
cate is not worth the paper on which it is written. I strongly suggest,
that the students who are the victims of this wsuccessful failure" be
allowed to continue the fifth form course this year. They are terribly
upset and I know the mover has explained the surrounding cireumetaneee
in Labasa.'
In relation to past years, last year's Fiji Junior Examination
results shows a marked decline in pass rate of students from this side
(Southern) of the island. The reason, as you might all be aware, is
ijhat there was a leakage of the examination paper, and there was a lot
6f hue and cry in the press and radio and also in the' House below.
But, Sir, the real culprit is in the Education Department. If the
Student A or B took the advantage of taking the paper away, why should
the rest of the students be penalised for that? I suggest, Mr. Presi-
dent, Sir, that the whole staff of the Education Department should he
removed from that department...»
ME. PRESIDENT.- Order! Will the honourable Senator coma back to
•tine motion, please?
HON. SENATOR EAUR BATTAK SINGH.- However, Sir., the point i6 that
it is the fault of the department and why should the .students who are
not party to this offence be punished? *
The mover has also mentioned that unemployment has increased. I
Sympathise with him and support him, Sir, because I lived in labasa
for five years and Labasa is feeling a sensa of isolation and at times,

downright loneliness. Since they have no industry other than sugar
industry there, unemployment in that area has increased.
If the Government could be good enough to accommodate the
students in Vanua Levu to find, some employment or reinstate them in
fifth form, I' should be most grateful.
I support the motion before the House.,
HOH. SEHATOR RATIT VOLAVOLA.- Mr. President, Sir, I rise to voice
my opinion regarding the motion "before the House. I sympathise with
the feeling which prompted the honourable Senator to move this motion
in this House.
I have obtained reliable information from the Educa/tion Depart-
ment saying that all "C" grade students in the Labasa area were now
being admitted to secondary schools. The informer also told me that
two or three secondary schools which were not eligible to cs,ter for
form five were allowed to do so. Also, two other schools, I believe,
were allowed to hold extension classes in order to cater for the "C"
grade passes.
We have been told by the mover of the motion that the school fees
per annum charged by some schools were $80. I would like him to
compare that with other schools in the dominion which are charging
more than $100 per annum. I know of a well-known Fijian secondary
school in the Suva area which is charging $75 per annum. Comparing
that with. $80 per annum is nothing, Sir.
I have also been informed by the honourable Senator from Rotuma
that all "C" grade students from Rotuma were catered for. They were
all admitted in secondary schools. The informer also told me that
about more than 80 per cent of the "C" grade students who passed the
1972 examination were now in the existing secondary schools in the
dominion.
Why I brought this up was that as the motion stood, if I were to
vote for the motion, it means that I am pointing a finger at the
Hinistry of Education, saying that they are not doing anything at all,
when in fact, they are doing something. If I oppose the motion, the
public will point a finger at me and say, "That ie the Senator who
did not want to help 'C ' grade pass students." Now, Sir, I am in a
dilemma whether to vote or not to vote for the motion.
With your permission, Mr. President, Sir, I would like to move
an amendment and if you allow that, I will circulate any amendment tc
members of the House. With your pel-mission, Sir, I would like to
move: "That the motion be amended by omitting all the words after
'that1 and substituting the following:-
"This House records its apreciation to the Ministry .of
Education for doing its best to alleviate the grievances of the
Fiji Junior ' C grade students by admitting them to available
secondary schools in the dominion."

HOH, SENATOR KAPADIA.- I beg to second the amendment, Sir.
HOT. SENADXR BAITJ V0IA1/QIA- I think I have already stated my reasons
for moving this amendment, and I commend the amendment to the House.
HON. SENATOR TABUA.- Mr. President, Sir, I know that I am not
qualified to speak on this motion, hvt I have one point to raise.
Before that, allow me to say that I sympathise with the parents of
those children who fall in this category.
May I take the honourable House to the old days when there was
no Fiji Junior examination in Fiji. We then had the Junior and Senior '
Cambridge examinations only - these were overseas examinations. Later
they created Fiji Junior Certificate Examination. The point that
I want to bring up before the honourable House is why the "C" grade
pass was created by the Education Department and why when students,
achieved "C" grade passes, they are not allowed to repeat the exami-
nation and also they are at the same time not allowed to go to the
next Form up. I personally think, and I hope the honourable members
will agree with me and will support me, that if this category of pass
does not qualify a student to go to Form V and does not qualify them
to repeat the examination in order to get the required percentage,
then I think this grade should be abolished. To me, Mr. President,
Sir, it is a waste of time; I reiterate: it is a waste of time, and
it only creates dissatisfaction to the parents.
With tbia little contribution, Mr. President, Sir, I support the
motion. ":-
HOR'. SENATOR MOHAMMED.- Mr. President, Sir, I am opposed to the
amendment because I think it is bringing in more confusion. I will
explain why I say this. I agree that after a lot of noise was made
by the students and the parents about the situation created by the
Education Department in declaring that 'Cr grade pass was in fact a
failure andgthat there was no place in the world for them, the Educa-
tion Department has come out in the end to say that non-Government
schools were at a liberty to admit " C " grade pans students. But they
did this with a dagger behing the backs of the school committees.
They said that they may take these students but they were not going
to aid these particular students. Therefore, the situation was a most
confusing, one. Those schools who received grants for fifth forms and
had. room to take them or to make room available how could they
possibly do it ^tfhen the Government aid was taken away from them. The
Department took these measures in the very end in panic because for
some reason or other the policy had failed and they were in absolute
mess and in the end they said to the schools thr.>_t they may take these
students but they were not really and truly helping to accommodate
these students at all. FOT that reason, although these students had
been much condemned, they have now been admitted to one type of school
or another but certainly not in Government schools. So, I would not
say that the Government did help them because if Government had really
and truly wished to help them why did they create the situation in
the first place? V/hy did they declare in the first place that the"C"

grade pass was no good? I would say that this strange situation was
created by the Education Department and any blame that is now being
thrown at them should be taken by them. And as soon as they can
possibly do it they should amend the situation and remove the confu-
sion so that this year when students appear for the examinations,they
-jrould know exactly how they will stand after the examinations.
Talking about examinations, it is also strange that the Mucation
Department has condemned an examination which it itself has sanctioned
in the past. They are now going ahead with the plan to remove the
Secondary School Entrance Examination and they would in future allow
'students from primary schools to enter secondary schools without anj
examinations at all. The secondary schools would have no idea whether
the students they would be taking had A,B,C or even Z grade pass.
Looking at this question in that light it appears even stranger why
the students who had actually passed the examination had been penalised
when there will be no examination held at all in Class 8. With this
in view, Sir, I would urge the Government to remove this strange con-
fusion at least this year so thnt everybody knows exactly where they
will stand after the examinations are over in 1973. Sir, I cannot
support the amendment to the motion. I support the original motion
only.
HON. SENATOR RATU DAV/AI.- Mr. President, Sir, I do rise to
support the amendment. I divqyce myself from the opinion behind the
original motion, Sir. I speak .from experience. I have managed two
junior secondary schools and have served as a member of Board of
Governors of a- high school. There are so manyj^egoblems behind this
"01} grade pass in Fiji Junior Certificate. One is accommodation. The
Ba Methodist High School has problems of accommodation. We have not
got enough classrooms to accommodate the "C" grade passes and this is
one of the main reasons why the principals with the approval of the
Board of Governors have taken steps to limit the intake in Forms V.
And we go along with the policies that h^^S been implemented in the
Government schools. Queen Victoria School does not admit "C" grade
passes. But I would like to appeal to every Fiji Leader that we must
find out the facts behind the refusal of admitting "C" grade passes
in forms V before staging demonstration.
For my Junior Secondary School, last year was the first year for
the students to sit for the Fiji Junior Examination. Five have got
"B" grade passes and four students passed in "C" grade. I did take
this up with the authorities of the private schools in the Jfadi area
and they were willing to accept the 6 grade passes in their Form V s .
This was the procedure I followed rather than twisting it out as a
controversial issue in one of the local papers. So, I do appeal to
the Government, and even to the British Government to give more aid
to build more classrooms in high, schools. I do support the amendment.
HOW. SENATOR RATli SAI.ABOGI.- Mr. President, Sir, I support ths
amendment. My reason io this. We have seen that the Education Depart-
ment has put forward what the people of the Dominion wanted. It may
be true to say whero the "0" gra'e passes would end. Another opinion

raised was why the Education Departmert created, this "C" grade passes
if they could not find any place after pancing in "G" grade. It would
have been better i'f there was no "C" grade at all. For this reason I
wish to record my appreciation for the Opposition bringing in this
motion and far this side amending it. I know for certain that if this
motion had not been brought to the House there would be quite a subs-
tantial number of Fiji students who would not know where they were
heading to, V/e have been trying to consider producing some sort of
creative jobs for these students. And if we do not succeed in this,
we would find that quite a substantial number of theae young people
would be trouble makers. Por this reason too, I appreciate the
honourable the mover outlining what the Education Department has
hitherto been doing. I know the rest of the dominion is anxiously
waiting to hear the outcome of this debate in this honourable House.
I do know that the Adi Cakobau School and Queen Victoria School do
not take 'Cc grade passes *
Sir, I support the motion as amended.
MR, PRESIDENT.- Order! The House is adjourned till 2.15 p.m.
The House adjourned at 1.45 p.m.
The House resumed at 2.15 p.m.
HON. SENATOR INI A.- Mr- President, Sir, I rise to support the
amendment.
The mover has said that he has received his information from very
good authority and I take it that he has got the information from the
Education Department or from one of the sailor officers. If that is
so then Government is fulfilling its res,!, purpose for the children
who will one day become the future people of this dominion- In this
new age, the importance of a piece of paper, which if you do not
possess, wi.l 1 mean that the best in the dominion will not he offered
to you, I refer to School Certificate which will mean that you have
completed a high school course. In overseas countries this is very
important and Fiji is fast followJfig their footsteps. Students who
after attending secondary school do not have a certificate to present
to those who are willing to offer them jobs are unfortunate, and I
refer to Bchool Certificate, The final examination in high school and
the stepping stone to this important final examination is the Fiji
Junior Certificate. If you do not possess this, then you will be
'chopped off1 from completing a secondary school course because those
who are holding the Fiji Junior Examination certificates will just be
passing through the lower end of secondary school - the junior section
of the school - the senior section should go through to the School
Certificate. To do that you have to enter Form V and if you are not
given an opportunity to enter Form V then you will be one of those
unfortunate people who are cast aside because you do not possess this
very important certificate.


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