Senate 1980 : part 1

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S e l e c t Committee on Food P r o d u c t i o n - a p p o i n t e d 1 1 . 6 . 8 0
Hon. S e n a t o r R . I . Kapadia (Chairman)
Hon, S e n a t o r Batu L i v a i V o l a v o l a , O.B.E,
Hon, S e n a t o r Ratu T e v i t a V a k a l a l a b u r e
Hon, S e n a t o r Ratu Jone M a t a i t i n i
Hon. S e n a t o r C.P. B i d e s i
Hon, S e n a t o r B.B.S, Mai, M.B.E.
Hon. S e n a t o r Wilson I n i a , M.B.E., J . P .
S e l e c t Committee on Freedom of I n f o r m a t i o n - a p p o i n t e d 1 1 . 6 . 8 0
Hon. S e n a t o r C.S. Weaver
Hon, S e n a t o r ARanisi D r e u n i m i s i m i s i
Hon. S e n a t o r P.M.K. S h e r a n i
Hon, S e n a t o r Ratu Hell Loki
Hon. S e n a t o r Wilson I n i a , M.B.E., J . P ,
Hon. S e n a t o r Ratu Jone M a t a i t i n i
Hon. S e n a t o r C.P. B i d e s i
S e l e c t Committee on Weights and Measures B i l l , 1979
- appointed 1.6.79
Hon. Senator R.I, Kapadia
Hon, Senator Dr. S.B, Tabua
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola, O.B.E.
Hon. Senator C.P. Bidesi
Hon, Senator C.S. Weaver
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E., J.P.
Select Committee on the Civil Aviation Authority of Fiji Bill,
1979 - appointed 15.8.79
Hon. Senator R.I. Kapadia
Hon. Senator Dr. S.B. Tabua
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola, O.B.E
Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini
Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E., J.P.
Hon. Senator C.S. Weaver
Hon. Senator S.S. Madhavan
Senate Representatives for 1981 Commonwealth Parliamentary
Association Conference, Fi.il - appointed 12.12.79
Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola, O.B.E.
Hon. Senator F.M.K. Sherani
Hon. Senator C,P, Bidesi

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MONDAY, 24 MARCH, 1980
The Senate met at 10.00 a.m. pursuant to notice.
MR. PRESIDENT took the Chair and read the prayer.
The Hon. Senator A.I,.N. Deoki, O.B.E., Attorney-General
The Hon. Senator Ramanlal I. Kapadia
The Hon. Senator Dr. Sevanaia B. Tabua
The Hon. Senator W.M. Barrett, J.P,
The Hon. Senator Ratu Gl^nville W. Lalabalavu
The Hon. Senator Inoke Tabua
The Hon. Senator Ratu Tevita Valcalalabure
The Hon. Senator Ratu Marika Latianara
The Hon. Senator Ratu Meli Loki
The Hon. Senator Joeli Sereki
The Hon. Senator Kaur Battan Singh
The Hon. Senator Suman Shiromaniam Madhavan
The Hon. Senator Chandra Prakash Bidesi
The Hon. Senator Bakshi Balwant Singh Mai, M.B.E.
The Hon. Senator Colin Stanley Weaver
The Hon. Senator S. Basawaiya
The Hon. Senator Akanioi DreuTiimiaimiai
The Hon. Senator F.M.K. Sherani
The Hon. Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini
The Hon. Senator Ratu Livai Volavola O.B.E. (Vice-president)
The Hon. Senator Wilson Inia, M.B.E. , J.P..
beg to move:
That the minutes of the sitting of the Seriate h«ld
on Wednesday, 12th December, 1979, as previously circulated
be taken as read and be confirmed.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, X beg
to second the motion.
H©N, SENATOR RATU MATAITINI.- Mr. President, Sir, I would
like to draw the attention o£ the House to a typographical error
which, although insignificant, should be corrected before
confirmation of the Minutes. Under Item 5 of the Minutes, ifc
quoted Standing Order 57(1) (6)i it should really be i
Orders 57(1) (b).

For the information of the Senate, Mr. President, Sir, I
wish to mention that Government has included funds in the Capital
Works for Taveuni Hospital to extend the Out—Patient Department of
the Hospital in 1980. Plans have already been completed and t h i s
alsd provides for the extended area for the Dispensary, where more*
space will be allocated for storage of Medical Supplies and Drugs
to meet the requirements in the event of shipping d e l a y s . In any
emergencies, however, drugs can be airfreighted a l s o .
I t would be of interest for the Honourable Senator to 'know
that in 1975 the Out-Patient attendance and the I n - P a t i e n t s of
Taveuni Hospital were 24,655 and 1,634 respectively but in 1978
these figures fell to 14,733 for Out-patients and 1,324 for In-
patients — a decline of 40 per cent for out—patients and about,
19 per cent for in-patients.
However, the total value of medical supplies and drugs for
1975 was $4,000 and this has doubled for 1978 at $8,000. Allowing
for the inflation on cost of drugs and appliances e t c e t e r a , a t
10 per cent per annum since 1975, i t would be evident t h a t tho
Government has increased the supplies by at l e a s t 70 per cent
although there has been a decline in the number of p a t i e n t s uairm
the hospital.
Mr. President, Sir, there has been s u b s t a n t i a l increases in
the important drugs. For example( in 1975 ten packets of Anti-
biotic Tablets were supplied but in 1978 t h i s supply was incr©tt»t3-«1
to forty packets. Transfusion fluids increased from 11 l i t r e a xw
•1975 to 156 l i t r e s in 1978, Drugs £or anaemia increased from
20,000 tablets to 50,000 in the same period, and drugs for high
blood pressure increased from 2,000 t a b l e t s to 6,000 t a b l e t s . OHves
drugs saw similar increases.
HON. SENATOR MADHAVAN.- A supplementary question, Sir. C«\\ii4
we be enlightened as to how often t h i s appraisal of the stock of
drugs i s carried out?
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, the reply to thm*
supplementary question i s not available with the honourable Sena*"*
a t t h i s moment. I would request the honourable Senator to put in
another question in writing and we shall obtain the reply from ihe
Ministry concerned.
Low Cost Housing Estates
(Question No. 37/79)
HON. SENATOR MAL aaked the Government, upon n o t i c e :
(a) Will the Government inform the House the number of
people living in each unit of low cost housing e s t a t e s
such as Raiwaqa?
(b) What steps i s the Government taking to remove
overcrowding in these areas?

One of the duties of the area officers of the Housing Authority
i s to maintain a regular surveillance on the population of housing
estates. Any overcrowding which comes to the notice of these area
officers is dealt with by enforcing the conditions of the tenancy
The dilemma with which the Housing Authority's area officers
are often faced is whether to adhere to the s t r i c t terms of the
agreement between the tenants and the Housing Authority, or give
free range to the sensitivities of our social system even if such
a course would be counter-productive t o effective control on over-
crowding .
The tragedy i s that the extended-family system i s incompatible
with the r e a l i t i e s of high density settlements which are inevitable
features of modern urban l i f e . Limitations of income from urban
employment i s another factor which does not favour the extended family
system, but inviolability of the extended family system i s p a r t of
our social system. If we must perpetrate that system then i t would
be tantamount to encouraging rural-urban migration.
Within the framework of these considerations , the Housing
Authority t r i e s i t s best to persuade tenants to avoid over-crowding.
However, on the average i t would seem that the population
density per family unit would be roughly equivalent t o say 2 t o
3 adults and three children, which cannot be regarded as alarming.
(c) One of the recommendations in a recent report submitted,
by the USP's Review Committee, i s that the Housing Authority should
provide low cost houses. Government has accepted t h i s recommendation,
but the cost of capital intensive infrastructure such as roads,
piped water supply, sewerage systems, e l e c t r i c i t y , and most
important of .all, depleting land resources within urban and p e r i -
urban areas of Fiji would place great r e s t r a i n t s on single u n i t
developments within towns and c i t i e s and t h e i r peripheries.
I t was indeed in deference of the social and c u l t u r a l back-
ground of our people that we decided that as far as possible we
should avoid new developments of medium-rise high density housing.
Greater emphasis was placed on providing developed s i t e s so that
people could have their own "open compounds" and build the s o r t of
homes they could afford.
Government has therefore, maintained a policy of low density
development in urban as well as peri-urban areas, for example -
Kinoya, Nadara, Nepani and even in the Central Suva, and Vitogo/
Drasa in Lautoka. In these integrated developments social and
cultural peculiarities of our people were an important consideration.
This was further refined by a policy of making adequate provision
in these settlements for commercial and l i g h t i n d u s t r i a l a c t i v i t i e s
so that employment opportunities might be generated for each
settler-group in i t s immediate neighbourhood. This i s the general

trend of developments throughout the developing and developed world.
However, one must face the r e a l i t i e s of growing urban popu-
lation. Concurrently, the cost o£ infrastructure i s also escalating.
Sooner or later there will be no land for the type of development
which we consider ideal, we would then be forced to come to terms
with the realities of urban living. We would then have to decide
either to satisfy the basic need for shelter or the quest for the
quality of l i f e , which might he .consistent with out current .social
and cultural values. I t will certainly be d i f f i c u l t for us to
satisfy them both.
The ideal approach would perhaps be t o stop a l l types of
public housing developments in the urban and peri-urban areas of
Fiji, and to r e s t r i c t single unit developments t o rural areas.
This would have an added advantage of discouraging rural-urban
migration and in reducing the pressure for new employment oppor-
tunities in the urban centres. But one has to be pragmatic about
these things. Pressure for housing in urban areas will continue.
For this reason, the Housing Authority has been asked to mount a
more effective programme of education in urban living and orient-
ation of l i f e styles of the people in urban housing e s t a t e s to the*
realities of living in high density urban settlements - an ultimate
prospect from which tqere i s no escape.
HON. SENATOR BIDESI.- Mr. President, Sir, is the Government
aware that low cost housing has now become "high cost" housing?
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, every one i s aware that
the cost of building has gone up and naturally what we were able
to build at a reasonable price in e a r l i e r years has now become an
expensive thing to do.
Supply of School Books by Government Supplies
(Question No. 39/79)
HON. SENATOR MAL asked the Government, upon notice:
Would the Government consider getting more
school books through the Government Supplies Department to
to help the low income parents?
Government doea provide a l l the basic requirements of our schools
in text books, exercise books, stationery, a r t and craft material,
science and -tiechnical equipment through the Government Supplies
Department. I t should be appreciated t h a t Government should not
compete with the private sector in providing the supplementary needs
of schools. These a r e readily available in the local bookshops.
In times of urgency such as following hurricane "Meli", additional
assistance is provided through the Government Supplies Department
to get the schools back to normal as quickly as possible.

MR. PRESIDENT.- Honourable Senators, I have a message from
Mr, Speaker, certifying that the Bills under Items 7, 9, 10, 11 and
12 are money Bills.
A Bill to provide for the grant of pensions and
gratuities upon the death or disability of members
of the Royal Fiji Military Forces resulting from
injuries sustained or diseases contracted whilst
engaged in certain operations, and for matters
connected therewith (1/80)
A Bill to amend the Pharmacy and Poisons Act (2/80)
A Bill to amend the Judges' Remuneration and
Emoluments Act, 1974 (4/80)
A Bill to amend the Prescription of Salaries Act,
1974 (5/80)
A Bill to repeal the Metrication Act, 1977 (3/80)
A Bill to legalise certain payments made in the year
one thousand nine hundred and seventy-eight in excess
of the expenditure sanctioned for that year (6/SG)
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move that
the House do now stand adjourned until 9.30 tomorrow morning. And,
with your permission, Sir, I would like to mention that there will
be the usual meeting ot the Members of the House at 10.30 in the
Member's Room.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, I beg
to second the motion.
Question put.
Motion agreed to.
MR. PRESIDENT.- Order! The House is adjourned until 9.30
tomorrow morning.
The House adjourned at 10.26 a.m..

(c) The Implementation of the recommendations of the Select
Committee is in progress and any delay is inevitable because of the
administrative procedures required by this and any other Government
in bringing into effect increased financial commitments of such a
large scale. The remuneration of medical personnel is of course a
matter for the Public Service Commission and the relevant staff
Tarsealing of Vuci Road
fQuestion No.4/80)
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH asked the Government, upon
Would the Government please expedite the tarsealing of the
dusty roaa between the Methodist Mission School, Vuci,
Nausori to Raralevu cemetery?
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA,- Mr. President, Sir, the need for the
tarsealing of Vuci Road is recognised but the road carries less
traffic than other roads which are on the waiting list. However,
the priority for sealing of any road through a village or a settle-
ment, school and other built-up areas is the responsibility of the
Divisional Development Committee Central. I would suggest that the
honourable Senator, as a member of that Committee, put forward a
convincing and a strong case for the sealing of this road at the
next meeting of the Divisional Development Committee Central,
Lady Member on the Action Committee of
the Health Report
(Question No.5/80)
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH asked the Government, upon
(a) A senior lady member of the Ministry of Health had been
strongly criticised by the Maraj Committee Report;
(b) The said lady r..amber now sits on the Action Committee
reviewing the Marajr Report;
(c) Will the Government kindly explain the reason for this
(d) Will the Government agree that given the circumstances,
the appointment of the lady member in question is irregular
and prejudice the findings of the Action Committee?
(e) If the answer to (d) above is in the affirmative, will the
Government then ensure that the appointment of the lady
member in question is revoked ana a fresh appointment made?
(f) If the answer to (d) above is in the negative, will the
Government fully explain the basis of its reasoning to the

HON. SENATOR DR. TABUA.- Mr. President, Sir, the replion i*.
the questions are as follows:
(a) No senior lady member oir the Ministry of Health is
criticised in the Report of the Select Commit tee.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH.- Rubbish! Go and read i I..
You prepared that Report yourself.
MR. PRESIDENT.- Order! Order!
HON. SENATOR DR. TABUA.- What the Report does criticise i;s-
the level of staff support at head office to assist all the sf>ni.'>j
staff and in particular the nursing administration in the e x o m l i..^
of its existing responsibilities.
(b) All senior officers of the Ministry have been co-o)>i f<s
by the Review Committee to assist in preparing material by which U^-.
recommendation of the Select Committee can be placed before the
various Government authorities.
(c) It is believed in Fi ji , as in other countries of t he
world, that decisions involving health care of the community .m-
not the reserve of the doctors alone, but that the opinions of t in-
nursing profession are necessary and valuable.
(d) Not only is the appointment regular, but it is msai-m •, -x:
and the balanced nature and function of the Review Committee pi.-tv i .N-S
sufficient assurance that no prejudice enters into the prooondi.ii>tr
of the Committee.
(e) The answer is, no.
(f) As answered above.
Number of New Zealand University Entrance
Examination Candidates
(Question N o . 6/80)
HON. SENATOR MAL asked the Government, upon notice:
(a) Will the Government inform this House of the numbci i <i
candidates from each school who sat the N . z . u . E .
Examinations last year?
(b) Number of passes from each school?
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, the number o!"
students who sat and passed the K.Z.U.E. from each school last y.--*s
are as follows:

(h) It is assumed that by 'truly multi-racial' honourable
Senator Mai moans that the composition of the school roll should
be made up of approximately equal number of students from each
ethnic groups. There are a number of Government primary and
secondary schools which have rolls of such composition. Included
in this are some of the bigger urban schools. Otherwise school
rolls are dependent on scatter of ethnic populations and the
initial objectives for which certain schools were started.
Tarsealing of Vuci Road
{Question No. 10/80)
HON. SENATOR M^L aalted the Government, upon notice:
Will the Government tarseal Vuci Road from Vuci Methodist
School to the junction of Raralevu Road junction due to
thickly populated areas?
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, the need for sealing
the Vuci Road ia recognised but the road carries less traffic than
other roads which are on the waiting list. However, the priority
for the sealing of any road through a village, settlement, school
or other built-up area ia the responsibility, in this case, of the
Divisional Development Committee Central, Here again, I would
suggest that the honourable Senator4 as a member of that Committee,
should forward a convincing case for the sealing of this road to the
Divisional Development Committee Central at its next meeting.
HON. SENATOR BIDESI.- Which honourable Member does the Senator
refer to?
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- 1 would presume that it refers to the
Senator who has just asked the question.
HON. SENATOR MAL.~ I am not a member of that Committee.
Fencing of Boundary between the Indian High
School, Baniwai Road and Brown Street
(Question No. 11/80)
HON. SENATOR MAL asked the Government, upon notice:
Since the cutting between Brown Street and Baniwai Road
ia dangerous for the students of the Indian College, will the
Government consider fencing the boundary between the Indian
College and the said cutting?
HON. SENATOR KAPAUIA.- Mr. President, Sir, the "cutting"
referred to is at the junction of Brown Street and Rewa Street.
The danger has been there since the Suva City Council built the
road many years ago and it was not thought necessary to provide
a fence at that time.

Drawa Development Project
{Question No. 12/80)
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA asked the Government, upon notice:
(a) In which year was the Drawa Development Project started?
(b) If the Government has not completely forgotten the people
and their project, would the Government consider building
a motorable road to Drawa and Lutukina Villages?
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, the Drawa Develop-
ment Project is a cocoa scheme started about 20 years ago on about
20 acres of land. Two years ago a further scheme was started with
about 50 acres. Last year the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries
organised the building of a fermenting factory and drier and the
District Administration has this year requested for an estimate to
construct a road to Lutukina with a view to construction, in the
Damage to Road between Natua and
Cadranasiga Village
( Question No. 13/80)
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA asked the Government, upon notice:
Would the Public Works Department consider repairing the
damage it has done to the road on the hill near Cadranasiga
Village on the road between Natua and Cadranasiga Village?
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, the damage referred
to on the Naividamu Road was storm damage which has been repaired.
Priority Treatment at C.W.M. Hospital
(Question No. 16/80)
HON. SENATOR BIDESI asked the Government, upon notice:
(a) Is it true that police cases are given priority over other
patients at the casualty department of the C.W.M. Hospital?
(b) Would the Ministry consider laying down strict rules o n
priority treatment at the casualty department if it does
not already have them?
(c) Would it be possible to have more- than one doctor in the
casualty section from the houre of 4.00 p.m. to 10.00 p.m.?
HON. SENATOR DR. TABUA.- Mr. President, Sir, the answers to
the questions are as follows:
(a) It is not true.
(b) Patients seen without appointments are seen on a f i r s t -

come-first-serve basis with the exception of urgent medical cases
which are attended to immediately*
(c) We already have more than one doctor on duty between
these hours. There are two doctors on the 4.00 p.m. to 10,00 p.m.
shift at the Hospital on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays and
three on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- On a point of Order, Sir, Item 6 is
not a money Bill as certified by the Speaker of the other House.
In my opinion it is an ordinary administrative measure and I propose
that the Senate informally discuss what course of action to take.
Therefore, T. would like to propose a Suspension of Standing Orders.
MR. PRESIDENT.- I will not accept the motion for the Suspension
of Standing Orders yet. I want this point of Order to be discussed.
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, while I fully
appreciate the point which the honourable Senator has raised, I
would hardly think that it is a valid point of Order at this stage.
It is academic at this atage to diacuss Whether it is a money Bill
or not. If a situation arises at a later stage in the debate when
you have to make a ruling whether, it is a money Bill or not, then
the point could be discussed in detail. There could be arguments for
and against whether it is a money Bill or not. However, the fact
remains that you have notified to us as Members of the House
yesterday, that you have...
MR. PRESIDENT.- Order! I conveyed an opinion to you.
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- I think it was mentioned by you from the
Chair that you had received notification that among the several
Bills you have received, this one has also been certified as a money
Bill by the Speaker of the other House, The question then arises
whether it is proper for us to dispute that certificate from the
Speaker. My view would be that it would be purely academic to do so
at this stage. While I may be prepared to agree at a later stage
with the suggestion which the honourable Senator has advanced to
diacuss this matter informally,, I would think that we should proceed
with the second reading of the Bill now.
HON. SENATOR BARRETT.- Mr. President, Sir, as I understand it,
the test would be whether you, Sir, as President, would accept an
amendment to the Bill and if an amendment was proposed to the Bill
then this would bring to the forefront whether or not it is a money
Bill. So if an amendment is proposed to the Bill then a decision
will have to be made here and now as to whether or not it is a money
Bill. Would I be correct?

HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH.- M r . President, Sir, this
particular matter was discussed at length at yesterday's informal
meeting and I cannot see why we should have a further discussion.
My understanding is that we had come to the unanimous decision for
your good self, Mr. President, to take it up with the Speaker of
the other House, whether it is a money Bill or not.
MR. PRESIDENT,- Thank you, honourable Senators, I have received
enough assistance on the point of Order* I propose to take this line
of action. I will not give a ruling on the point the honourable
Senator has raised. I would prefer to discuss this in chambers with
the honourable the Attorney-General, the honourable Leader of
Government Business, the honourable Senator Ratu Jone Mataitini and
the honourable Senator Kaur Bafctan Singh and then let those
honourable Senators come back to you. Therefore, honourable
Senators, with your agreement, I propose that the House take a short
adjournment to enable that discussion to be held with m e .
The House adjourned at 9.50 a.m.
The House resumed at 10.02 a.m.
HON.. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr,. President, Sir, I beg to move:
That a Bill to provide for the grant of pensions and
gratuities upon the death or disability of members of the
Royal Fiji Military Forces resulting from injuries sustained
or diseases contracted whilst engaged in certain operations,
and for matters connected therewith be read a second time.
HON. SENATOR DR. TABUA.- Mr. President, Sir, I b e g t o second
the motion.
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, as we are all aware
certain members of our Armed Forces are now serving in Lebanon with
the United Nations Peace-keeping Force. We have had certain
casualties there while our soldiers were engaged in active operations.
In fact, I am informed that there were seven deaths in Lebanon,
There has been another death recently, the death of the eighth
soldier who had received injuries whilst on duty in Lebanon.
You would recall, sir, that there was considerable concern
expressed in the press and among the public and even on the floor
of this House about the lack of provisions in our laws for the
purpose of granting pensions to the widows and dependants of
deceased soldiers or the granting of pensions to those who are
incapacitated to such an extent that they are unable to do their
normal work after returning home. It was, we all agreed, an
iniquitous situation because provisions do exist o n our Statute
books for granting of pensions and other benefits to the aoldiera
who took part in the first and second world wars and in the Malayan
Campaign and also for their dependants.
A Committee was appointed by the Government as a result of
this. The initial objective was to make a thorough revision
of all the pension benefits and other conditions which are

applicable in the case of the laws which now exist on our Statute
books on the subject.
When the Committee began i t s work, i t f e l t that the matter of
granting of pensions for the widows and the dependants of the
soldiers who died in Lebanon in recent operations was so great that
it would be unfair and unreasonable to wait u n t i l the entire
revision of the pension laws was complete. The Committee therefore
recommended to the Government that an interim pleasure be taken
whereby we enact some legislation to provide for pension for the
widows anct dependants of those who die on active service in Lebanon
with the United Nations Peace-keeping Force and in similar other
operations. Fortunately, there were no c a s u a l t i e s among the
3oldiers who served with distinction in Rhodesia. However, S i r ,
the legislation which was recommended by the Committee was such
that i t should embrace not only the soldiers now serving i n
Lebanon but also soldiers who may be required t o be engaged on
similar duties elsewhere. The Bill before the House i s therefore
an interim measure. Xt i s based broadly on th e provisions now
applicable to soldiers who served in the Malayan Campaign. I
Would at once concede, Sir, that there are a number of matters
here on which there could possibly be considerable argument. I t
may well be argued that there are provisions in the existing
Pension laws which need to be revised. I would not dispute t h a t ,
s i r , ,But the recommendation from the Committee which was under
the chairmanship of our present Minister for Works and
Communications who himself had taken part in active duties in the
army in the past, was that we should proceed with t h i s interim
nieaaure and provide immediate benefit to the widows and the
dependants of the eight soldiers who died in Lebanon in recent times.
Mr. President, Sir, the Bill has been divided i n t o several
sections and there i s a Schedule- attached to t h e B i l l which sets
out the machinery by which pensions would be c a l c u l a t e d in the case
of those dependants of the members of the Armed Forces who die
directly as a result of injuries sustained or diseases contracted
whilst on active duties with the Armed Forces.
In Part II of the Schedule to the B i l l i t i s provided, Sir,
that if the deceased member leaves a widow but no children a
Pension to the widow for her life-time or u n t i l she re-marries
would be given at the annual rate of 33% per cent of the member's
current pay and allowances. If a member dies leaving children,
Sir, then there would be an additional payment of 6 per cent of
the member's current pay and allowances in respect of each child
UP to a maximum of three and if he l e f t more than three children,
there i s a provision in the Bill for additional allowances of
Per cent nf the member's pay and allowances in respect of
each additional child.
Mr, President, Sir, there is also provision that if the
deceased member leaves a parent or parents who were dependent on
*um, a pension to each of the surviving parent at the rate of 12^
Per cent of the member's current pay and allowances would be
granted. So you would notice that the B i l l seeks to make provision
f°r the widow, children and dependent p a r e n t s .

In Part III of the Schedule, the Bill deals with the situation
where a member of the Force has sustained such injury as would
incapacitate him. In that event, Sir, a formula has been p r o v i d e
and I would not want to bore the Members of the House with the
details of the figures as they appear in Part III of the Schedule*
of the Bill. Mr. President, Sir, as we all appreciate, the
purchasing power of the currencies all over the world diminished ia <•••-
time to time. In this case there is provision in the Bill under
Clause 10 which gives powers to the Minister to increase allowanfr..?!
to meet the inflation. So while the Bill cannot be described as -•*
perfect piece of legislation, I would submit that it is an inter In
measure and the House should give it its seal of approval*
HON. SENATOR MADHAVAN.- Mr. President, Sir, I welcome this
much delayed Bill which in principle has been a direct result: ot ' ! ^
loss of life of so many of our heroes in Fiji. However, th^ro a s -
certain provisions which I cannot make head or tail of and thos<* -IJ <••
contained in Part II of the Schedule where provisions are made f<*i
the widow and the children in the case of death of the soldier, -fri-,
death of the soldier, a widow gets 33 per cent of the member's
current pay and allowances if she has no children, and 6 per c o m
for each child up to three and 3 per cent for each additional c:hilv.
This provision would mean that the bereaved family would have? l.<>
consist of a widow and 19 children before they can collect 100 [ «-s
cent of the soldier's pay and allowances. Does Government fetal ih.-i
is fair, to allow the family of a bereaved hero to live at a mitist
of one-third of their standard of living after the death of thai
hero, and in the case of the children, only till they are 16?
Therefore, I call upon Government to have a closer loo"k at thin.
We would not like to delay the passage of this Bill at the moment i
but I urge them to have a re-look at this at a later stage so fclia*
better provisions are made for the widow and children of our do^ti
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- Mr. President, Sir, I" compliment
Government for bringing forward this Bill, for the granting of
pensions and gratuities to disabled soldiers has been a concern "f
the public for some time. I take it that this Bill provides ten
the remission for the granting of pensions and gratuities to the*
disabled soldiers, and in future the Minister of Finance will havrs
that actual sum paid out through this House to these soldiera,
At the moment, I am not sure as to what actual pensions will 1H* J M L I
out to the beneficiaries. I shall await the formation of regul&t i ••••«
by the Minister before I can positively have a clear picture in
my mind as to what grants will these beneficiaries receive.
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, I am very gralel-U
to all the honourable Senators as there seems to be the feelinej
that we should give our general seal of approval to this Bill ami
enact it into the law as soon as possible to alleviate the suCtnti-'-'ja
of the widows and dependents of those soldiers who died in Lebaiwui.
and those who suffered injuries there and have been incapacitate!.
I am inclined to agree with the honourable Senator Madhavsm ss ^(
perhaps the amount stipulated in Part II is inadequate in thia day
and age for the maintenance of a widow and dependent children, imt ^

I pointed o u t during my i n i t i a l a d d r e s s , I have been informed by t h e
Ministry t h a t t h i s i s an i n t e r i m measure. The Committee i s s t i l l
working on t h e complete r e v i s i o n of a l l p e n s i o n l e g i s l a t i o n and l e t
us hope t h a t they would complete t h i s work a s soon a s p o s s i b l e and
submit a p p r o p r i a t e recommendatjLfcove t o t h e Government which would
then tie c o n s i d e r e d by Cabinet f o r e n a c t i n g i n t o l a w .
Question p u t .
Motion agreed t o .
B i l l r e a d a second t i m e . :
In Committee i :
Clauses 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7, 8 , 9 , 1 0 , S c h e d u l e , t i t l e and
e n a c t i n g c l a u s e agreed t o .
The Houseiresumed:
B i l l r e p o r t e d without amendment, read a t h i r d t i m e and passed,
(Act No. 1 of 1980).
HON. SENATOR DR. TABUA;- Mr. P r e s i d e n t , S i r , I beg t o move:
That a B i l l t o amend t h e Pharmacy and P o i s o n s Act b e
read a second t i m e .
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. P r e s i d e n t , S i r , I b e g t o second t h e
HON. SENATOR DR. TABUA.- Mr. P r e s i d e n t , S i r , t h e B i l l before
t h e House i s t o amend t h e p r e s e n t Pharmacy and P o i s o n s Act i n order
t o b r i n g t h e law i n l i n e with t h e p r e s e n t modern developments and
t h e f a s t changing ways of p r a c t i c e s .
The A c t , i n t h e p a s t , had had many s i m i l a r amendments t h a t were
n e c e s s a r y t o b r i n g i t i n t o l i n e , a s I have j u s t m e n t i o n e d . So f a r ,
t h i s Pharmacy and Poisons Act had been amended n i n e times and t h i s
i s going t o b e t h e t e n t h time i n which i t i s g o i n g t o b e amended.
This proves the fact that the legislations are changing to suit the
•hanging times and the different circumstances t h a t we are going
Sir, people today are very medicine-minded - be they Pijians,
Indiana, Chinese or Europeans. When our people are sick they will
never come away satisfied from a doctor either in the hospital or
i n a private c l i n i c unless they are given some sort of medicine
for their sicknesses. This shows the great importance this Bill has
and the great responsibility which i s attached to the amendment
which i s now before the House and the other new sections of the Bill
which we will be touching on l a t e r as we go along.

When we look at the Objects and Reasons of the Bill, Mr,,
President, Sir, we can very easily divide the Bill into four parts.
Perhaps, in this way it will be easier for us to follow and perhaps
some of the points that are a little difficult to understand ~
medically and legally in a way - will be clarified, I hope* The
first part deals mostly with terminology — some of the terms which
are defined and clarified when it is being used in relation to the
Bill, and which we use in our every day language but which have
different implications when looked"at together with the Bill.
The second part, I think, deals with the establishment of the
Fiji Pharmaceutical Society on a statutory basis, replacing the
old Pharmaceutical Society which I understand was not on a
statutory basis. We appreciate this very much.
The third part deals with the advertisement of the drugs and
medicines which ia a very important part of this Bill and which, I
feel very strongly, both our medical and legal colleagues and our
lay colleagues in the House should know about when it cornea to
dealing with the public who may not belong to one of these
The fourth one deals with licences. These licences are new
introductions into the legislation which deal mostly with
manufacturers* licences and wholesale licences.
Mr. President, Sir, I regard the Bill as very important from
our point of view too and not only important to the registered,
pharmacists who have been duly introduced into a statutory basis
of society, not only to the manufacturers of the drugs who are, at
the moment, perhaps mostly overseas dealers and not only to the
wholesale dealers in which some of our firms and our people here
are being involved., I think the Bill is very important to the
people of Fiji as regards medicine, welfare, health and drugs,
particularly in these days of drug addiction.
Sir, in order for the Bill to be understood properly, w e will
have to debate it fully. It may look simple as it is, but when on©
goes through the whole Bill and through some of the terms which
are being defined in relation to the Bill itself, it is not easy.
With your forebearance/ Sir, and that of my colleagues in tho
House, I would like to deal with the Bill in the order in which it
is presented to us for ease of understanding and I hope I will bo
able to explain some of the medical terms which are used in every
day language which, to me - and I hope, to others - mean
differently when related to this Bill before the House.
Clause 1 is a straightforward clause which is the short Title.
Clause 2 is the amendment to section 2 of Chapter 9 6 . In the
Law Book the Pharmacy and Poisons Act is at page 127S, C a p . 9 6 ,
It is an interpretation clause. In (a) we are going to insert tho
figure "(1)" before the word "In" at the commencement of the existing
Act. In the existing Act, Sir, the section reads as follows:

(d) Mr. President, Sir, says:
"by inserting immediately before the definition of "member" t lit»
following definitions:
"'manufacture' in relation to a medicine, includes any process
carried out in the course of maXing the medicine including
the assembly thereof, but does not include dissolving o r
dispersing the medicine in, or diluting or mixing it with, atwn*<
other substance used as a vehicle for the purpose of
administering it and does not include the incorporation
of the medicine in any animal feeding stuff*
'medicine' and 'medicinal purpose1 have the meanings assiqnml
to them by section 2A",
which I will be touching on as we go along.
Mr. President, Sir, under the present Act, immediately before
the word "member" is the word "medical officer" and the definition
of the word "medical officer" is to be seen in our present law lxKikn,
(e) by inserting the following subsection immediately after
sub-section (i);
"(2) In this Act any reference to selling anything by way of
wholesale dealing is a reference to selling it to a person
who buys it for the purpose of —
(a) selling or supplying it, or
(b) administering it or causing it to be administered to
one or more human beings,
in the course of a business carried on by that person, except
that it does not include any such sale by the person w h o
manufactured it under and in accordance with a manufacturer' a
In this Act, any reference to selling any drugs or medicine by way
of wholesale dealing is a reference to selling to a person who buy**
it for the purpose as stated in the Bill. Likewise in the
"administration of the medicine", it meana that it would b e for t)ut
purpose that I have already mentioned in the course of business m^i
work as well.
Mr. President, Sir, clause 3 inserts two new sections altogci he-.',.
by inserting the following sections immediately after section 2 ut
the existing Act:
2(a) 1, refers to the meaning of medicine and related
expressions. These are the words which I was hinting on earlier tli.^
are used everyday by us and which have slightly different legal
implication in as far as the Bill is concerned and I thought" it
would be wise for us to enlighten ourselves on those few w o r d s , and
in particular those who will be benefiting from the passage of tho
Bill. I quote, Mr. President, Sir, from clause 3 of the Bill:

(a) "medicine" means any substance or article (not being an
instrument, apparatus or appliance) which is manufactured,
sold or offered for sale for use wholly or mainly in
either or both of the following ways:-
(1) use by being administered to human beings or animals
for a medicinal purpose.
(2) use, in circumstances specified in subsection (2),
as an ingredient in the preparation of a substance
or article which ia to be administered to human
beings or animals for a medicinal purpose, but except
as provided in section 2B, medicine does not include
a substance or article the sole or principal use of
which, ia or ordinarily is, a cosmetic use, or which
ia represented to be, or might reasonably be taken
to be the cosmetic use."
That is the definition of the word "medicine" and likewise just
below that we also aee this word "medicinal purpose1* Which is fully
described and defined on page 3 of the Bill.
Section 2(3) deals with "herbal medicine" or "herbal remedy".
Mr. President, Sir, the subsection is very relevant to us in this
country especially to us Fijians in rural areas regarding the use
of herbal medicine and medicine from roota and plants.
Under section 2(b), Mr, President, Sir, are certain substances
which are to be treated as medicines and this section tells us how
to determine them, how to use and avoid others which are of
doubtful nature, that ia to say, Mr. President, Sir, When it comes
to herbal medicines and we will probably be more enlightened when
firms who deal with the manufacture of drugs or medicine will be
able to find out some of our local herbal medicine as to their
pharmaceutical property and to their therapeutic property which
we will be able to use in the future.
MR. PRESIDENT.- We will now adjourn for 15 minutes.
The House adjourned at 10.45 a.m.
The House resumed at 11.00 a.m.
HON. SENATOR DR. TABUA.- Mr. President, Sir, I now come to
clause 4 of the Bill. Clause 4 of the Bill deals entirely with the
establishment of the Fiji Pharmaceutical Society on a statutory
basis. Sections 31(b), 31(c) and 31(d) are new sections to the
Ordinance. Sections 3l(b) and 31(c), Mr. President, Sir, deal with
the establishment of the new society and 31(d) is a consequence of
these two sections: which ia a dissolution clause in the new Bill.
The formation of the new Fiji Pharmaceutical Society is a great
step in the right direction. Its timing is appropriate, it keeps
in line with the development and current practices which have come
to our land. It is a move with evidence of maturity, of wisdom and
the concern of the members both for themselves and for others.

As I have mentioned, Mr. President, Sir, section 31(d) is a
consequence of the two previous subsections and which will dissolve
the old Fiji Pharmaceutical Society. May I quote section 31(a) ,
Cap 96, and with your permission, Sir:
"Subject to the provisions of this section a body corporate
carrying on a business which comprises the retail sale of
drugs shall be an authorised seller of poisons with a meaning
of this Ordinance if the following petitions are complied with:
(a) the business shall, so far as concerns the keeping,
dispensing and compounding of drugs and poisons, be under the
management of a superintendent in relation to whom the
following requirements are fulfilled -
(i) he shall be a regi stered pharmac i st;
(ii) a statement in writing signed by him on behalf of the
body corporate stating his name and stating whether or
not he is a member of the board of directors shall have
been sent to the registrar;
(iii) he shall not be acting at the time in a similar
capacity for any other body corporate?".
I read that, Mr. President, Sir, because I have been made to
understand that in our country today there are certain organisations
and firms which are representatives of overseas drug firms and
carrying out the sales of drugs without any registered pharmacist.
For this reason, I welcome the introduction of the new Society,
which I am sure will look after this very important aspect of drug
I would also like to congratulate the new Society for the
milestone that has been reached. We have heard of the Society and
their activities for a long time and we, who are in the field of
works do understand fully the services of these pharmacists and bow
we cannot do without them. We are also grateful for the o f f i c e -
bearers and members of the old society which is going to be
dissolved. We fully appreciate the way in which the Government haa
introduced the Bill, thus dissolving in an honourable way the form«n~
society which has been responsible for most of the pharmaceutical
services and dealings in our country which we have enjoyed for a
number of years.
We look forward and hope that the new society will be able to
look after Fiji and its people in medicine or drug matters for which
we are very concerned at the present time of development and in our
involvement in the whole wide world.
But not the least, Mr. President, Sir, I would like to thank thi1
Government Chief Pharmacist for having the greatest responsibility
in as far as drug matters are concerned. He looks after the whole
of Fiji. He is a man behind the scene with very limited facilities,
limited funds, limited supplies and he is expected to answer all the
needs and all the S.O.S. calls either during the day or during the

n i g h t . I think he has been one of the most c r i t i c i s e d c i v i l servants,
and moreso from his colleagues. That does not exclude me as I had
been with the c i v i l Service and I now look back and r e a l i s e the
d i f f i c u l t i e s that t h i s man has to face.
Clause 5, Sir, subsection (2) of Section 45 of the Act i s being
amended by substituting the following for paragraph ( b ) . With your
permission, Sir, I read from the B i l l on page 6 which says -
"A registered pharmacist who in the ordinary course of his
business s e l l s or supplies any medicine (except such medicine
as may be prescribed for the purpose of t h i s subsection)
provided auoh medicine i s sold or supplied by the pharmacist
for purposes other than those prescribed by t h i s section;"
Section 45 of Chapter 96 i s relevant to be read with your permission,
S i r , because i t speaks on the restriction of supply of certain
medicines, and I quote -
"Any person other than a registered medical practitioner or
medical officer or a person acting under the d i r e c t
instructions of such medical practitioner or medical officer
who attends upon, prescribes for or supplies any a r t i c l e as a
drug, medicine, instrument or appliance to any person for the
alleviation, cure or treatment of any venereal disease,
whether in fact such person i s suffering from such disease
or not, or of any disease affecting the generative organs or
functions or of sexual impotence or of any complaint or
infirmity arising or relating to sexual intercourse or of
female or menstrual irregularities or for the purpose of t e r -
minating pregnancy or of influencing the course of
pregnancy shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable
to a fine not exceeding one hundred pounds."
We now come to clause 6 of the B i l l , This clause repeals
the existing Section 46 of Chapter 96 which i s t i t l e d "Certain
advertisements prohibited". This i s being replaced by the
following three subsections (1), (2) and (3) and I quote frontpages
6 and 7 of the B i l l :
"46. - (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3) any person
who issues, or causes another person t o i s s u e , a false or
misleading advertisement relating to medicines of any
description shall be guilty of an offence and liable to a
fine not exceeding five hundred dollars or to imprisonment
for a term not exceeding one year or to both such fine and
(2) Where a person i s charged with an offence under
subsection (1), i t shall be a defence for him to prove that
he did not know, and could not with reasonable diligence
have discovered, that the advertisement was false or
(3) Without prejudice to subsection (2), where a
person i s charged with an offence under subsection (1), i t

shall be a defence for him to prove that he is a person
whose business it is to issue or arrange for the issue of
advertisements, and that either -
(a) he received the advertisement for issue in the
ordinary course of business and issued it, or
arranged for it to be issued, either unaltered or
without any alteration except in respect of
lettering or lay-out; or
(b) not being concerned with manufacture of or
dealing in medicines, he received from a person
so concerned the information on which the
advertisement was based and in the ordinary
course of business prepared the advertisement
in accordance with that information at the
request of that person."
When we come to the formation of a new society, in particular
to a professional society which deals with a business which
requires ethics of the highest standing, these clauses are very
relevant and very important.
Xn Section 46(3)(a) there is prohibition of certain
advertisements some of which I have already read. This is
important where advertisement becomes a very delicate subject
in their daily affair.
Section 46(3) (b) tells us about the meaning of advertisement!!
as far as the Bill is concerned. We have our own interpretations
or definitions of advertisements but I would only like to bring in
the requirements as far as the Bill is concerned. One point that
is important here is the spoken word. Spoken words are not an
advertisement but are described in the Bill when they are not
regarded as an advertisement.
Clause 7, Sir, is an amendment to Part V of the existing
legislation and it is the insertion of twelve new sections from
47A to 47L. The existing legislation is divided into p a r t s .
There are seven parts appearing in Roman figures and the part
which we are required to amend in clause 7 is Part V which deals
with the sale and supply of medicines. What is required here ia
the insertion of the word "manufacture" so that the title in
Part V will read as follows: "Manufacture, Sale and Supply of
We now come to the last part of the Bill, Sir, which deals
with the licences. These two licences are the Manufacturers'
Licence and the Wholesale Licence. The Bill has outlined the
nature and the condition of the two licences and also the
conditions for the applicants of the licences. The Bill h a s
also put down the venues where licencees may lodge their
complaintB,1 if there are any, with the authority. The Bill
has also laid down conditions where, if the applicant is not
satisfied with the ruling that has- been given, he may seek help
and guidance in as far as lodging an appeal is concerned.

The suspension, the variations and revocations of both
the manufacturer's licence and also the wholesale licence! clause
8, section 64(a) of the Act which covers the sale of poisons toy
wholesale dealing is to be repealed and replaced by a holder of
a manufacturer's wholesale licence and in accordance with such
Clause 9, Mr. President, Sir, deals with the Schedule and the
amendments listed under it in the Schedules here, some of which I
have tried to explain and others will be seen at page 15 of the
Bill which explains fully the meaning of some of the words which I
have mentioned, •
With those words, Mr. President, Sir, I commend the Bill to
the House.
HON. SENATOR RATU LOKI.- Mr. President, Sir, I would like to
show here my appreciation and congratulation to the honourable
mover of the Bill for the way he presented it in a most enlightening
and educational manner, I would also like to thank Government for
the protection it has given to herbal medicine which has been
successfully used in many parts of Fiji, not only by Pijians, but
by all other races who are members of the communities here. I
understand that the legislation now made by Government is
to protect the prescription of herbal medicines which will be used
in future by drug dealers who would come here to investigate and
perhaps utilise the herbal medicines that we have in our country.
Furthermore, I would also like to thank Government for
bringing in parts of the Bill which will remove certain sections
of the existing Act which are perhaps out of date and have to be
changed for the benefit of the people in this country.
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- I would like to reiterate the
feelings of the previous speaker in welcoming this Bill to the
House. We are particularly interested in the arrangements for
locally manufactured drugs as it will bring to light the practice
of medicine which has been going on for ages in Fiji commonly
known as "draunikau".
In Fiji there is great potential for medicinal herbs and
through research and manufacture this potential will not only make
medicine cost less but it will also be readily available to the
While welcoming this Bill I must sound a word of caution about
the registration of the Pharmaceutical Society where they could take
up.a "closed-shop" view of !tWe are the registered pharmacists in
Fiji and we are the only ones who can sell medicine and not others".
Today, a big service is rendered by patent medicine licence holders
who are 14 miles to 15 miles away from registered pharmacies in
major urban areas. These people are licensed to sell such
medicines as pain killers like Aspirin, A,P.c.» cough-mixtures,et
cetera, and this service to the public should hot be withdrawn
should the Pharmaceutical Society decide in future to adopt a
11 closed-shop11 view. The Government Pharmacy and Poisons Soard
should be requested to allow patent-medicines to be sold by people

I have been listening very carefully to the doctor on the
description of the word "medicine" and "drugs". In Fiji today there
is no regulation administering the sale of certain poisons like
weedicides and great damage is being done to the ecology by the
indiscriminate use of weed-killers which kills fish and small
biological life in creeks and rivers. If this practice is not
checked by the Government, then we may lose an important source
of protein for our people in, rural areas where they depend on
fish, prawns and. eels for their diet. Much care should b e taken
particularly by the Pharmacy and Poisons Board as to which type of
poisons should be allowed for weed-killing in agricultural areas,
HON. SENATOR BARRETT.- Mr. President, Sir, I welcome this
Bill and I would like to congratulate the honourable Senator D r .
Tabua for the very excellent and helpful way in which h e has
explained the various terms and meanings of the Bill to u s , laymen.
I believe that his explanation has made it so much easier for ua to
follow the Bill,
Mr. President, Sir, without going into the various technical
aspects of it, there are three points in the Bill that strike me
as being very important indeed.
Firstly, the wholesale dealing in medicine -will now be
brought under control. This, I believe, has been a weakness for
quite some time and the fact that this Bill ia now going to bring
it under control is very very welcome indeed.
Secondly, Mr, President, Sir, Government is very conscious
of the fact that we are living now in times of changing technology
and it is quite likely that fairly soon certain medicines will be
manufactured in Fiji and I think Government is very wise and very
prudent in acting now to see that these medicines, when they are
manufactured in Fiji, will be of the highest modern standard, This
is an obligation that Government has to the people of F i j i . It is
essential that when medicine is manufactured and when it reaches tho
hands of the public, that it will be safe because we know how
often certain medicines have gone onto the market in different
countries without proper research. W e have read in the newspapers
of the terrible and tragic results, and we hope that the inclusion
of that section in this Bill will see that such a thing does not
happen in Fiji.
Thirdly* Mr. President, Sir, I think it is very important
indeed that control over advertising is exercised. We read in
newspapers in different places and even here in Fiji today that
this particular medicine will cure something faster, o r quicker,
or better than something else. How much faster, how much quicker?
The average person does not go into these things in detail. If you
are suffering from a pain in the head or elsewhere and you are
desperate, you are inclined to believe these advertisements. We
hear on the air and read in the media that this will do that and
something else will cure something else and I hope, Sir, that
Government will exercise a very strong control over advertising

so that inaccurate and improper claims are not made for certain
brands of medicine. And so advertising, when it comes
to people's health, will be made to be truthful and if it is not,
hopefully Government will take the necessary action against
inaccurate and untruthful advertising.
HON. SENATOR SHERANI,- Mr. President, Sir, I support this
Bill because I see it as an attempt to overtake modern living.
The only matter that does not satisfy me fully is the fact that
spoken words are left out as an exception to advertisements and as
I see it, Sir, spoken words on the street corners eulogizing a
medicine would be just as dangerous as false advertisements on the
radio or in the newspapers.
Be that as it may, Sir, I feel that this Bill will serve a
very useful purpose for the present because the aim of the Bill is
to control and discipline sales of medicine. In modern times it is
now essential that only those people who have the-necessary qualifica-
tions should dispense medicine and someone has to decide and allow
them to practice. It cannot be free-for-all. I would have
preferred greater powers being given to the Pharmaceutical Society
so that they may discipline their members much more than as
provided in the Bill at present, I do hope that in time to come
amendments will be made to this Bill so that the Pharmaceutical
Society will become a more powerful organisation in disciplining
its members. The good of the majority of the people, Sir, must not
be sacrificed for the interests of a few who demand freedom of action
and in giving these powers to the Pharmaceutical Society under this
Bill, Fiji will make certain advancements from which it will benefit.
HON. SENATOR DR. TABUA.- Mr. President, sir, at this stage,
I would like to thank our colleagues who contributed and their
contributions have set a high standard to the debate <
With your permission, sir, I will just like to comment
on some of the points which have been raised and I
am sure my remarks on them will be very helpful. I also thank
those who have congratulated the Government for bringing this Bill
to the.House this morning.
Mention has been made about the registration of the members
of the Fiji Pharmaceutical Society and also the concern about the
"closed-shop" view in this type of registration. We fully~understana
the case of the small shops in the countryside -which are at present
rendering a great service to the rural dwellers who have difficulty
in going to chemists, in that they enable the rural dwellers to buy
the types of medicines for headaches, body aches and in some cases,
chest pains. These small shopkeepers are rendering a great service
for us in this field and I hope the authorities will see the atti-
tude they have created. So I thank the honourable Senator Basawaiya
for bringing up that very important point. We believe that the
registration of the members to the Society at this stage should not
be compulsory and that each member should have the liberty to
register as a member or otherwise. The services they are rendering
in the pharmaceutical services are so great that more will register
to be members of the Society.

Another important point that has been mentioned about
poisons by my honourable colleague Senator Basawaiya is the matter
of ecology.
Wholesale dealing has been brought up by m y colleague on the
right side and I fully agree andwe are glad that this Bill has come
in time to cater for all our concerns. I know that there are a lot
of overseas pharmaceutical firms who have interests in Fiji already
and this Bill will certainly interest them and cater for w h a t they
have to offer us.
My colleague, the honourable Senator Sherani, supports the
Bill and mentioned the "spoken words". I hope that this will in
time cater for itself and it is perhaps one of the strongest mediums
that we have. The fact that it is not being prohibited at this
stage will prove itself in time to come as to whether or not it should
be there for any length of time.
With those remarks, Sir, I once again thank m y colleagues
for the support they have given on the Bill and I commend the
Bill to the House.
Question put.
Motion agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
In committee:
Clauses 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 8, 9, Schedule, title and
enacting clause agreed to.
The House resumed:
Bill reported without amendment, read a third time and passed
(Act No. 2 of 1980).
BILL,, 1974
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President. Sir, I beg to move:
That a Bill to amend the Judges' Remuneration and
Emoluments Act, 1974 be read a second time.
HON. SENATOR DREUNIMISIMISI-. -Mr. President, Sir, I beg to
second the motion.
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, this is a simple
and straightforward Bill which seeks to increase the remuneration
and emoluments of our judges. The honourable Senators would
remember that civil servants were granted an increase in salary in
accordance with the Tripartite Forum guidelines of 7 p e r cent or
$315 up to the maximum in the case of those officers who were
receiving salaries in excess of $4,900, The Bill before the

House seeks to grant similar increases in emoluments for our judges.
It would take effect from 1 July, 1979 for which money was
provided in that year by Supplementary Estimates. Provision for
additional expenditure to meet these increased emoluments has
already been made in the Estimates for this year. I commend the
Bill to the House.
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- Mr. President, Sir, I would like to
make a general comment on this Bill and on a Bill of a similar
nature which is to come. As the honourable Senator Kapadia has
said, this Bill is a consequence of the 7 per cent salary increase
agreed to in the Tripartite Forum and therefore the judges and others
would get this rise. If the Fiji economy had a voice, I am sure
it would echo the sounds of George Bernard Shaw in his play "Joan
of Arc" - "how long". How long can the Fiji economy sustain thia
kind of salary increase without effort? We have adopted a dangerous
practice of allowing salary increases across the board without effort
simply because the cost of living has gone up. The organised sector
has the power to increase our own salaries because the cost of
living has gone up but can a rural worker who is on a salary of $4
a day increase his salary because the cost of living has gone up?
He cannot and therefore, we are causing an iniquitous position in
Fiji by merely granting salary increases to the organised sector in
the Government because we are able to put our hands in the till and
put it into our pockets. The disorganised sector or the rural
sector cannot do that and they are the greatest sufferers when this
kind of salary increase is generally given to civil servants. This
adds to the flames of inflation and I would therefore/generally
appeal to Government that salary and wage increases granted to itself
must bear productive capacity of the national economy. It must not
go on and on increasing its own salary and wages because the cost of
living has gone up or it will be a futile case of a dog chasing its
tail. We would be putting the disorganised sector into further
difficulties by adding on to the fumes of inflation.
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, I think the
honourable Senator Basawaiya has made quite a valid point as to how
long our economy can sustain periodical increases in wages of 7
per cent. I think it is clear from the tone of the debate that
he is talking about the economy in general and it does not concern
the officers in respect of whom this Bill deals with. Mr. President,
Sir, as we are all aware, the Tripartite Forum was established to
arrive at an agreed decision on matters affecting the economy where
employers, employees and the Government were concerned. If the
Government had not agreed to this decision, it might well have been
that some trade unions would have demanded ana-, perhaps, some of
them might have even received salary increases in excess of 7 per
cent. I think the Government and all concerned including the trade
unions will have to think very hard in the future when the matter
of salary increases are discussed. The honourable Senator made a
very eloquent plea on behalf of the rural dwellers. It is quite
true that they have-no trade unions and they will not be able to
gain regular increases in their income in the way the trade unions
are able to secure for their members. However, as far as the
Government is concerned! it seems to me that although there are some
dangers in granting annual increases such as this, we have to live

with it to keep all aides not only satisfied but to make them come
to an agreed decision which does help in maintaining industrial
harmony in the country. As we are all awaret the country saw many
strikes on the issue of salaries and wages in the paat but since
the Forum, has been working, we have seen very few of them on
account of yearly increases or demands for increases in salaries*
Question put.
Motion agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
In committee:
Clauses 1, 2, t i t l e and enacting c l a u s e agreecj t o .
The House resumed:
B i l l reported without amendment, read a t h i r d t i m e and
passed (Act No. 3 of 1980).
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. P r e s i d e n t , S i r , I b e g t o move:
That a B i l l to amend the P r e s c r i p t i o n of S a l a r i e s A c t ,
1974 be read a second t i m e .
HON. SENATOR AKANISI DREUNIMISIMISI.- S i r , I beg to s e c o n d
the motion *
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. P r e s i d e n t , S i r , t h i s B i l l i s
s i m i l a r t o the one t h a t the House h a s j u s t a p p r o v e d . I t d e a l s w i t h
t h e i n c r e a s e i n t h e s a l a r y of t h e Governor-General, t h e Chairman
of t h e Public Service Commission, t h e f u l l - t i m e members of t h e
P u b l i c Service Commission, t h e Supervisor of E l e c t i o n s , t h e
D i r e c t o r of Public P r o s e c u t i o n s , t h e Ombudsman, and t h e A u d i t o r -
General. The i n c r e a s e would become e f f e c t i v e from t h e 1 s t of J u l y ,
1979 on the same b a s i s as I o u t l i n e d d u r i n g my a d d r e s s on t h e
e a r l i e r B i l l and p r o v i s i o n h a s been made i n t h e 1980 E s t i m a t e s t o
meet t h e s e proposed i n c r e a s e s t h i s y e a r .
Question p u t .
Motion agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
In committee:
Clauses lf 2, title and enacting clause agreed to.
The House resumed:
Bill reported without amendment, read a third time and passed
(Act No. 4 of 1980).

HON. SENATOR BARRETT.- Mr. President, Sir, X beg to move:
That a Bill to repeal the Metrication Act, 1977 be read
a second time.
HON. SENATOR DR» TABUA.- Sir, I beg to second the motion.
HON. SENATOR BARRETT.- Mr. President, Sir, honourable Senators
are aware that the Metrication Act, 1977 was enacted as an interim
measure, as part of Government's metrication programme. The Act
came into force on March 1st, 1978. Since then the use of the
imperial system of units is gradually being replaced by the metric
system and I think that in particular the areas of education,
commerce, technology and the scientific areas have first received
emphasis in the movement towards the metric system. However,
Mr. President, a six months' grace period1 or extension period was
agreed upon in connection with land transactions which fell under
the Crown Land Act, the Crown Acquisition of Lands Act, the Rivers
and Streams Act and the Surveyors Act.
Therefore, Mr. President, Sir, all land transactions under
these Acts will, of course, be exempt and will not come into force -
that is, the metric use - until the 1st of July 1980. Therefore,
Mr. President, Sir, under these circumstances, there seems to be no
further need for this particular Act and we move for its repeal.
I commend the Bill to the House,
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- Mr. President, Sir, I would like to
make two observations on when it is going to be implemented, and I
lodge an offence now into the use of the imperial measure and if the
law-enforcing authorities are able to prosecute people who still
use the imperial measure. However, there are certain practical
difficulties. For instance, the Traffic Control Board wants the
vehicle owners to use metric measures on their vehicles while the
sellers or the conversion charts or dials from imperial to the
metric measure are not available in the shops. Therefore, the
vehicle owner today is faced with prosecution from the authorities
for not using metric measures on his vehicle. So far, the authorities
have turned a blind eye to this problem. Similarly, on the
conversion of scales for weighing goods from imperial to the metric
measure in outlying areas, the authorities have now banned the use
of scales with dual markings,_of metric as well as imperial measures.
I think this is an unnecessary hard measure simply because there is
going to be a suspicion that the vendor may still be using the
imperial measure because the marking is there. But if one considers
the turnover of the business of the shopkeeper or a co-operative
shop, one will realise that he could hardly afford another scale
worth $300 to $400. All that is required is the changing of the
face of the scale and this help could be given by the Government
Metrication authorities. But at the moment "they are only trying tc
administer the law without trying to be of help and this is costing
some vendors almost the purchase of a new scale. But Government, by
being practical and allowing the use of the dual measure or erasing
the markings of the imperial measure on the face of the scale, would

enable many shopkeepers to adapt themselves to the metric measure
without loss of money or difficulty.
HON. SENATOR BARRETT.- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the
honourable Senator Baaawaiya for his comments. However, m y own
impression is that Government is taking a. sympathetic attitude in
connection with the two matters raised by the honourable Senator.
I understand that when it comes to the speedometers on vehicles it
is not a difficult matter to put or super-impose the kilometre
mileage. I also understand that the Metrication Board and the staff
are very willing to give a scale which will assist people to adjust
their speedometers to the metric system so that we will know how many
miles or kilometres per hour we are travelling.
The other point that the honourable Senator raised i s a very
good one. Here again ( dealing with scales which have dual marklnga,
I can say that there are a number of vehicles coining into this
country today that have dual markings, miles per hour and kilometres
per hour. In the case of scales with dual markings I understand that,
again, the staff at the Metrication Board are very anxious to extend
the maximum help to any shopkeeper who ia having any difficulties
in this direction and to make available a scale or formula which will
easily make the scales convertible to the new metric system- 1
think, Sir, that the Metrication Board is not unaware of these
problems and as I said, in my discussions with them they h a v e said
that they would help in any way they can to assist and the actual
modifications in these instances are not particularly difficult o n e s .
Question put.
Motion agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
In committee:
Clauses 1 and 2, title and enacting clauee agreed t o .
The House resumed:
Bill reported without amendment, read a third time and
passed (Act No. 5 of 1980).
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, I b e g to move:
That a Bill to legalise certain payments made in the yoai
one thousand nine hundred and seventy-eight in excess of the
expenditure sanctioned for that year be read a second tima.
HON. SENATOP DREUNIMISIMISI.- Mr.* President, Sir, I beg to
second tha motion:
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, the Constitution
of Fiji requires that the Minister responsible for finance shall lay-
before Parliament the estimates of expenditure and revenue every

year in respect of the forthcoming year. A s the honourable Senators
will appreciate it is not always easy to estimate any expenditure
with complete accuracy in these days of diminishing value of the
dollar. The Constitution therefore provides that if the Government
incurred or intends to incur additional expenditure under any
particular'Head of expenditure, then the Minister of Finance has to
go before the House of Representatives with Supplementary
Estimates and obtain the approval of the House thereon. As soon as
practicable after the end of the year,the Minister then has to
produce a Supplementary Appropriation B i l l j n which he has to set
out all those Heads both in the Operating Budget and in the Capital
Budget wherein extra expenditure has been incurred. The Bill before
the House is such a Bill. The honourable Senators will notice from
the First and the Second Schedules that a number of Heads have been
listed in which the expenditure has exceeded that approved by the
original Appropriation Act.
Mr. President, Sir, this Bill may give a misleading impression
that the Government has spent over S6 million in the Operating
Budget in excess of that approved by the Parliament in the
Appropriation Act of 1978 and that the Government has also exceeded
its expenditure by over $9 million in the Capital Budget. However,
Sir, that is not so. The law merely requires the Minister of
Finance to state those Heads of expenditure where the expenditure
has been in excess of that approved by the original Act. The
Bill therefore does not include a number of Heads where the
expenditure has been less than what was approved. In fact, I am
informed by the Ministry of Finance that for this particular year
the total expenditure which was incurred was less than what
was actually approved by the Appropriation Act of 1978. Mr. President,
Sir, as far as this excess expenditure is concerned the matters
were fully dealt with in the House of Representatives. The
Supplementary Estimates do not come before us in the Senate but
they now appear before us in the form of Supplementary Appropriation
Bills. With these words, Sir, I commend the Bill to the House.
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- Mr. President, sir, I have no quarrel
over the remarks of the honourable Leader of Government Business.
It is usual practice that after the supplementaries of expenditure
is approved by the House of Representatives it becomes an
Appropriation Bill. But my quarrel is, why the delay of one
year before this Bill is presented in this form? When was the
Government expenditure audited? When did the Auditor-General look
at these expenditures before certifying them? And, we would like
to know the reasons for the long delay in presenting the 1978 Appro-
priation Bill - which was spent in 1978 - to be approved by the House
in 1980. This shows the tardy approach to the financial management
of Government business and we and the public would like to know the
reasons for this kind of delay,
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, I appreciate the
point which the honourable Senator Basawaiya has raised. Indeed you
will recall that similar explanations were sought in the other House
when this Bill was being debated by them.

Mr. President, Sir, all that I can do in this House i s to
re-utter what the honourable Minister of Finance told the other
House that in the future he would see to i t that the B i l l of t h i s
nature is brought before Parliament as soon as possible. I
understand. Sir, that he accepted full responsibility for the delay
and I believe, Sir, that he is going to streamline the procedures
in his Ministry which would ensure that future Bills such as t h i s
would come before Parliament as soon as possible.
Question put.
Motion agreed to.
Bill read a second time.
In committee:
Clauses 1 and 2, First Schedule, Second Schedule, title and
enacting clause agreed to.
The House resumed;
Bill reported without amendment, read a third time and
passed (Act No. 6 ©f 1980).
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- Mr. President, Sir, I beg to move:
That this House urges the Government to ban all lairib,
mutton and corned mutton into Fiji from N e w Zealand and
HON. SENATOR MADHAVAN.- Mr. President, Sir, I beg to second
the motion.
HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- Mr. President, Sir, o n the face of
this motion it looks as if I am trying to deprive the citizens of
Fiji of a source of protein that is readily and cheaply available
on the market. But, Mr. President, Sir, it has been brought to my
notice that the quality of sheep products brought into Fiji is not
of the highest standard and a very high medical authority i n the
United States of America who has a great interest in the Tnealth of
the people of Fiji, has informed me that we are stuffing into the
poorer section of the community a great deal of fat which is tho
prime source of heart diseases in the people of Fiji w h o are in tho
middle age group. Because of the relative cheapness o f N e w Zealand
and Australian meat products which sell roughly at an average of
80 cents to 90 cents a pound while vegetables grown in Fiji would
sell at 40 cents to 50 cents a bundle, the poorer sections o f the
people living in urban areas prefer to buy lamb and mutton. Whan
they buy two or three pounds of larrib or mutton they eat not only
the meat but the fat and all as they cannot afford to separate the?
fat from the meat and consequently , the middle aged people are
rapidly becoming victims of "heart diseases.

Secondly, Sir, the type of sheep reared i n Australia and New
Zealand are primarily those which produce good quality wool and
therefore, they are reared for a dual purpose - for wool and meat.
For t h i s particular reason, a country l i k e the United States of
America would not allow Australian or New Zealand lamb or corned
mutton into their country because i t has a very high content of
fat. But, in that country, and for that matter Australia and
New Zealand, there i s a greater choice of meat products like pork,
beef, et cetera, while on islands like F i j i there i s a dearth of
meat products like beef, pork and corned mutton available freely and
in large quantities. What i s of great concern t o me, Sir, i s that
the Fiji Government has not got a mechanism to control the quality
of meat products being imported into F i j i , We rely on the certificate
of the abbatoir in the country of i t s origin l i k e Australia and New
Zealand; we do not have our own meat inspection rules and regulations
or authorities to ensure that a prime quality of meat is imported.
I have been told that the exporters of meat to Fiji get rid
of sheep which are no longer good for producing wool and these
second r a t e animals are fattened with intensive feeding methods and
sent away to the Pacific markets for sale while, for domestic
consumption the butchers are controlled under s t r i c t meat regulations
that they sell prime products. Because we do not have any meat
import regulations that will control quality meat coming to Fiji and
because we do not have a quota system of importing meat, other countries
like Australia and New Zealand impose a quota of what they can or cannot
send to us, I would urge Government to ban these meat products so
that not only can we safeguard the health of our population but we
can, by preventing the dumping of lamb products into Fiji, encourage
the meat production in F i j i . We must congratulate the Agriculture
Department for the way they went about making F i j i self-sufficient
in pork and piggery and we are on the door-step of reaching self-
sufficiency in poultry products and by importing lamb into Fiji a
greater impetus will be given to raising beef and we have already
gone far ahead with beef raising under organised schemes in vitx
Levu. I also hear that the Ministry of Agriculture i s now abandoning
the mad practice of trying to raise sheep and they are putting a l l
their effort in trying to raise goat which i s more adaptable to the
F i j i climate. By stopping imports of lamb products into F i j i i t
will give greater incentive to a l l concerned in r a i s i n g meat products
so that we will quickly reach self-sufficiency in meat production
and in other sources of protein like fish. I have been told by
many coastal fishermen that today the shopkeepers in r e t a i l business
used their refrigeration equipment purely for s e l l i n g lamb and
mutton, When there i s a catch of fish they do not take the fish
i n t o their cooling chambers but i f we prevent lamb products from
toeing imported, a l l these refrigeration equipment around the
countryside will be used for the storage of fish and will give a
greater impetus to the catching and selling of local fish in F i j i .
With these remarks, I commend the motion t o the House,,
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA,- Mr. President, s i r , may I now suggest
t h a t the House do now stand adjourned until 2.15 p.im
MR. PRESIDENT.- The House i s adjourned u n t i l 2.15 p.m.
The House adjourned at 12,25 p.m.

HON. SENATOR MAI,.- Mr. President, although I am a vegetarian
I do not go along with this motion to ban the importation of mutton
and lamb from overseas; I would say that about 35 per cent of the
population of Fiji do not eat beef. The Muslim population of Fiji
do not eat pork. Chicken meat is expensive, more so than mutton;
local fish production is not sufficient at present! goat meat is not
sufficient to substitute mutton. However, we have an expert from the
United Nations, originally from Pakistan, who gives us lectures every
Saturday on how to breed goats. He says that Sigatoka • Valley is one
of the beet places for goat production as you need dry areas. For
the last century and the beginning of this century, Fiji tried to pro-
duce more local sheep but it failed because aheep need cold climate
and ours is not as good as New Zealand.
At present the price of mutton is cheaper than all other m e a t s .
It is about $1.80 per kilo for which I am told beef steak is $2.50 a
kilo, the same as goat meat and chicken meat, Even vegetables are
more expensive than mutton and mutton is the only meat which can b e
taken by all the citizens of Fiji irrespective of caste, creed and
religion. The mover of this motion did mention to u s that mutton has
more fat, but I am told that even fresh milk, ghee and butter have more
fat in them and some of our doctors even advise us not to take eggs
because it has a lot of cholestrol. Although we in Fiji use coconut
oil, those in the North of India and Malaya use more ghee, butter and
fresh milk. They have no sicknesses like we have in F i j i . I think,
that is due to hard work. When one goes to North India and visits
Punjab, Harajana and Himachal, one will find that those who work in
the fields and army people too, drink half a bottle of ghee and a
few gallons of milk without feeling sick. However, I d o go along with
the mover of this motion that Fiji should buy better quality mutton
from overseas if he feels that they always give us old sheep for local
consumption. If this has been occurring then what are the Health
Department and doctors doing? Do they every check whether we get good
meat from New Zealand and Australia or not because it is the duty of
local authorities to look after that. But, Sir, as long as we have
insufficient local production of goat meat and mutton, we would not
be able to stop importing mutton. Therefore, I oppose the
HON. SENATOR KAPADIA.- Mr. President, Sir, when I read the
motion for the first time, it appeared to me ambigious because it
was not clear what it actually implied. The motion is worded in
a way that it calls for the banning of all lamb, mutton and corned
mutton into Fiji from only two countries, Australia and New Zealand.
However, sir, after listening to the-honourable the mover of the
motion, it is clear that his primary concern in moving this motion
before the House is that the lamb, mutton and corned mutton coming
from these two countries has excessive fat in it and it is harmful
to the human circulatory system and may be responsible for the increase
in diseases of the heart in our middle-aged population.

Mr. President, Sir, I am informed t h a t Hew Zealand exports
lamb to many advanced countries of the world, but i f I heard the
honourable mover correctly - I may have been wrong there, Sir, as
he mentioned that U.S.A. did not import any lamb from New Zealand.
However, Mr, President, Sir, my information i s that the U.S.A.
Imports quite a large quantity of lamb.from New Zealand. In addition
t o the U.S'.A., countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany, Japan,
Iran and oth'er South Pacific countries also import lamb from
New Zealand. I am informed that New Zealand exports about 319,000
tonnes of lanib normally every year. That i s a very large quantity
of meat,. New Zealand also has a very a t r i c t system of obtaining
c e r t i f i c a t e s for all meat that i s for export. The exporters
are required to obtain certificates from meat inspectors who
naturally do not issue such certificates unless they were
s a t i s f i e d that the meat was f i t for human consumption.
With^ regard to Australia, I am informed t h a t Australia
exports, again, to U.S.A., the United Kingdom, Japan and many other
countries lamb to the value of about $100 million a year. Australia
a l s o haa a very advanced system in their slaughter yards and they
a l s o require certain certificates before they would allow meat to
be exported.
I t seems, after listening to the honourable mover of the
motion,-that hia real complaint i s against the grade of the meat
which comes to F i j i . Obviously, in these exporting countries the
meats are graded according to their quality. There are various
grades; there are expensive meats and there are l e s s expensive meats.
Naturally, the importers in Fiji would -import only such meats for
which they have market here and if what the honourable the mover
haa eaid i s correct - and there i s no reason why I should thinjt
otherwise - then i t seems that we are getting quite a large quantity
of lower grade meat in the country.
However, s i r , the answer to that problem would not be in
banning a l l imports of lamb, mutton and corned mutton from Australia
and New Zealand. So, Sir, although the objective behind this motion
i s laudible the Government cannot support i t . Mr president, Sir,
t h e Government feels that the best answer t o the problem would be in
increasing our local production of goat meat and other meats to meet
the needs of our local population. And if t h a t happens, Sir, then
t h e local producers would ba in a position to exert pressure on
t h e Government to impose restrictions on the import of meat from
As a l l Senators would be aware, there was a time when we were
importing a large quantity of poultry from Australia and New Zealand,
and we were even importing eggs, but with the increase in our local
production, i t i s now not necessary t o do so in the same quantity
a s we did before. The objective the Government f e e l s , therefore, i s
t o encourage the increase in local production of goat meat which
could then be used as a substitute for lamb and mutton. Mr. President,
S i r , the goat population in the country has been gradually increasing
and I t was estimated to be 78,500 in 1979.

Commercial goat fanning is also being actively encouraged by
the Government. There were, at the end of 1979, one hundred large-
scale commercial goat farmers - 56 self-financed and 44 financed
through the Fiji Development Bank loans. Breeding stocks are
supplied at Reasonable cost to farmers to improve their h e r d s .
During 1979, 138 breeding animals were supplied compared to 85
herds in 1978. In addition, specialised extension advisory services
are provided to encourage goat farming under proper recommended
practices. An intensive system of goat raising is being evaluated.
As to sheep raising in Fiji, feasibility studies have been
carried out and an introduction of a suitable breed is under active
consideration. Increasing animal population and consequently,
meat production is a long-term process. The Government h a s embarked
on it and we hope that in time to come we would be able to achieve
the same kind of success in the goat farming industry as we have
achieved in the production of pork and poultry meat. For these
reasons, Sir, although the motion has good objectives behind it,
as it would be impractical to impose such a ban overnight, the House,
in my respectful submission, would not be well advised to approve it.
I am informed that we import mutton products to the level of about
3,000 tonnes a year. It would be practically impossible to find a
substitute for this overnight and, therefore, Sir, and for the
reasons I have mentioned earlier, I cannot support the motion.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, I have
discussed the matter with the honourable mover of the motion and
we have come to an agreement that I should move an amendment to
the existing motion before the House and with your permission. Sir,
I would like to move that we delete all the words after the word
"Government" and replace it with the following words: "to ensure
strict control on the quality of imports of all lamb, mutton and
corned mutton into Fiji from New Zealand and Australia."
HON. SENATOR MAL.- Sir, I beg to second the amendment.
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAN SINGH.- Mr. President, Sir, I under-
stand that the honourable mover of the motion has outlined the
objects of his motion, and I have also heard the honourable
Leader of Government Business who, in his usual terms, says that
everything is green in the garden.
Mr. President, you will all agree that Fiji is an agricultural
country and it is a ahame that after 10 years of independence, we
are still importing meat from overseas countries. The Government
has failed to feed its nation, its citizens, leave alone give them
better facilities in other areas.

Now as the honourable leader of Government Business s a i d in
his usual ''master's voice" that he puts on, Government i s encoui a.|i.n<l
this and encouraging t h a t . Let us not k i l l ourselves in t h i s MOUHI'
but let us be more sensible and r e a l i s t i c about the whole s i t u a t i o n .
My honourable friend, Senator Mai, has said t h a t he i s a vegel.n i .m
but I am not a vegetarian nor am I non-alcoholic. I was t o l d wlioti
I was in New Zealand that we are importing t h e worst grade of l.im>>
and mutton and we are considered a laughing atock by the people in
Hew Zealand who sell us the meat. That i s a f a c t , s i r . We do it->«
know whether this particular meat has any d i s e a s e and I undei st.m'1
that lamb and mutton from Hew Zealand has been banned from Amerir.i.
America i s not allowed to import any Hew Zealand mutton. Them i"
a lot of fat content in the lamb and mutton and so t h e r e are hiiiln'i
clots of blood in this country. Government i t s e l f i s f i n a n c i a l l y
bankrupt; they cannot supply enough medicine to euro the peopJe.
So, why k i l l the nation for an unnecessary reason? I ani of the
opinion that Government should consider s e t t i n g up n meat board
as they have overseas.
HON. SENATOR TABUA.- On a p o i n t of order, S i r . The Houtf'- i '
not well-informed of how the motion stands. What is the oiiiondi-il
MR. PRESIDENT.- As I understand i t , t h e proposal i s thai '!"-
motion should be amended to read:
"That t h i s House urges the Government t o ensure t h e
s t r i c t control of a l l lamb, mutton and corned mutton
into Fiji from New Zealand and A u s t r a l i a . "
HON. SENATOR KAUR BATTAH SINGH.- ME. President, I was makiiin
the point that Government should s e t up a meat board ay they luw-
done in countries like New Zealand, A u s t r a l i a , Singapore and I n d i a .
This will at least guarantee that t h e c i t i z e n s of t h i s country .!)•-
not inheriting any unnecessary disease from New Zealand, with iln-::<-
few words, I commend the amendment t o the House.
HON. SENATOR TABUA.- Mr. President, S i r , I was speaking un
the original motion just before the luncheon adjournment but I di,<l
not have enough time. With the amended motion now before t h e UMU.-JO,
I think i t s t i l l makes very l i t t l e difference. However, I have t.w. i
to three observations to make
Firstly, there was an allegation t h a t we have been importing
low-class mutton and lamb from New Zealand. An e a r l i e r statement
made by the original mover of the original motion was t h a t when
sheep in Australia do not produce the best wool, they are k i l l e d a m i
sent to F i j i . He also said that the fat content of the lamb and
rmtton imported from Australia and New Zealand i s one cause of he.ii t
diseases in F i j i . If these statements are t r u e , then I think t h i n i n
a, serious matter and that Government should enquire as to t h e
validity of these allegations. I am aware, and I am sure a l l tlm
honourable Senators are aware of the fact t h a t the M i n i s t r i e s of
Health and Agriculture in those two countries do inspect the menf
before exporting i t to our country. There i s a s p e c i a l i s t team
here from overseas looking into h e a r t trouble in F i j i , but with Hi.,
allegation put forward

by the mover then I see it proper that this House takes it up with
Government. If these allegations are true, then some action should
be taken.
Secondly, despite the good relationship between the three
countries concerned, if Australia and New Zealand are accused of
selling low-class mutton to Fiji then it seems that Fiji is a
dumping country. With those contributions, I cannot find myself
supporting this Bill.
HON. SENATOR RATU VAKALALABURE.- Mr. President, Sir, at the
moment I am a bit frustrated aa I would like to fully support the
original motion but with this amendment, can I speak on both? I
would rather speak on the original motion but I think honourable
Senator Basawaiya has withdrawn that and accepted the amendment.
MR. PRESIDENT.- Honourable Senator, I think you can quite
easily accomplish both your aims. It is all mixed up in one now.
HON. SENATOR RATU VAKALALABURE.- The original motion of
banning can be a temporary measure and I think it is a measure
that Government should take. I do not know whether we would die
if we did not have beef or mutton, but our fathers and ancestors
did not die. Yet they were bigger, stronger, slim and handsome.
Today, we have a lot of not so healthy people.
Another point is that if we do carry out this ban, the people
and Government will have to be made aware of the fact that unless
we produce locally, we will have to go without it. Of course,
people have said that sheep cannot be reared in Fiji but in Euca
Bay where I come from, I know of a man called M r . Ward w h o bred
healthy sheep there but when he died the sheep were killed. My
father was a very good friend of Mr. Ward and we used to enjoy
very good lamb or mutton curry. The point I was getting at is that
Government must be aware that unless we can produce locally f we shall
have to accept the wishes of those foreign countries. We will have
to bow down to them. They bring in technology, we have not got the'
know-how and we just have to accept them. But why should we continue
accepting them? Have we not got the land? I will repeat, are w e
going to die?
Mr. President, Sir, Fiji is an agricultural country. Our fanners
are getting lazy and not because they do not want to do the work but
because people are not interested in buying from them. W e import beef,
mutton, tomatoes, lettuce, radish, carrots and even heads of fish.
The grass-root people are being branded as being lazy but no one cares.
I think we are being introduced into a system where w e shall be poorer.
Mr, President, Sir, just this morning I w a s discussing
very seriously with my colleague the Senator honourable D r , Tabua the
causes of heart failure. I am interested because it involves my wife
and me. I have been advised, Sir, that unless I am careful about my
other half, we shall have to part. It is because of the meat

that I have been feeding her. I have even sought the advice of a
Minister. However, before I go on to that may I just say what
Dr. Tabua said to me. He said, "All right, just hold on for some
time and we will discuss this matter again." I have accepted the
medical advice. But then. Sic, the Minister came to me and said,
"We have he'ard about your problem. You know that the fat in meat
especially in mutton, ( and there is a lot of this in the mutton)
when taken in is absorbed into the blood vessel and forms part of
the blood. It is called cholestrol. It then goes and
clots part of the brain or part of the body and then you have a
stroke. Sir, in almost every place that you go to, you find a good
home with an old man sitting with both legs crippled or with a
twisted face or with a twisted mouth. Can you say, Sir, that this
is not a stroke? Surely what we are discussing is contributory to
Mr, President, Sir, this responsible House should see this
motion properly and we should weigh the situation according to the
demands that our people are faced with. We have a good nation, Sir:
we have a lot of land. Why are we frightened in banning importation
from Australia and Mew Zealand? If I am not mistaken I heard the
honourable Leader of Government Business say that buyers of this meat
are importing a certain grade of meat according to what they have
in their pocket. People want to make money. They buy from over
there. What they do here is totally different. That is an
importer's business* However, we should not be tricked. We should
not trick our people. We should tell our people that this is
second grade meat and advise them not to buy it. If we were to buy,
let us buy first-class or go without it. We cannot be between two
worlds. We are responsible for the lives of our people and, sir,
with all due respect to the Leader of Government Business, I would
go along with the original motion. Let us ban these. The Government
should give more land to our farmers to develop more ranches and breed
our own cattle or meat. In this way our nation would become self-
supporting, Sir-. I support the original motion.
HON. SENATOR BARRETT.- Mr. President, Sir, if I can comment
on the amendment first. As I understand it, the amendment reads that
"This House urges the Government to ensure the strict control of all
imports of lamb, mutton and corned beef into Fiji from New Zealand
and Australia." Sir, if we are going to control something, it seems
to me that we first have to know what things we are going to control.
Now if we are going to exercise strict control over lamb, what do we
mean? Strict control over the quantity of lamb coming in or strict
control over the quality or strict control over the price? There
was a certain amount of ambiguity I think in the first motion as
was mentioned by the honourable Leader of Government Business. I
think there is also a degree of ambiguity in the amendment because
it certainly is not clear to me what it is that we are going to
control, to what extent and how the controls would apply.
Now, Sir, the Senate is a very responsible body. We have heard
a lot of talk about sub-standard meat or diseased meat or meat that is

going to cause ±11 health here in Fiji, and it is quite likely that
our deliberations here will be publicised. It is quite lively
that quite a lot of people will "begin to wonder and. think, "Are
we being given diseased meat or sub-standard meat?". Sir,
that is not the position at all. Fiji is not importing diseased
meat. But when we talk about the, standards of meat,, w e all k n o w that
with any meat whether it be cattle or sheep, there are various
cuts and depending on the type of cuts so depend the price. If
the market here is for mutton flaps or other cheaper c u t s , then
I assume that is what the people will be given. If they want prime
cuts., if they want prime lamb then I would imagine that anyone who
is catering for their needs would see that they had prime lamb.
In other words, Sir, it is quite wrong to keep on referring to
diseased meat or sub-standard meat or below quality m e a t . What we
are talking about are the various types of cuts of m e a t
which come into Fiji and whether it be the cheapest cut or the
most expensive cut in that particular grade or in that
particular classification; I understand, Sir, that the meat is
first-class so far as quality is concerned.
Now, it has been said first of all by the honourable mover
of the motion and it was also said by the honourable mover of the
amendment, that the United States of America does not allow the
importation of lamb from New Zealand. The honourable Leader of
Government Business in the House explained that this w a s not so.
Now, Mr. President, Sir, where do we go from here? If we are
going to keep on persisting and saying that the United States
does not permit the importation of lamb from Australia and New
Zealand, that is incorrect, and that in itself if given
sufficient publicity can start to create doubts in the minds of
Mr. President, Sir, it is a fact, and I challenge anyone here
in this honourable Senate to contradict me, that in 1977-1978 the
United States mainland imported 12,477 tonnes of lamb from New
Zealand and in 1978-1979, the amount was 14,187 tonnes. Now, M r .
President, how can we stand here and say that the United States
is not allowing the importation of lamb from New Zealand when
these are the facts. If these facts are incorrect, well this is an
international publication which is giving out false information
and not only does it talk about the United States mainland, it
talks about Belgium, Denmark, France, Italy, Germany, The Netherlands,
United Kingdom, the European Economic Community, Iraq, Iran,
Jordan and so on, Japan, - all those countries are listed and their
imports of lamb over the years. so, it is quite wrong for our
honourable friends to keep on saying that the United States does
not permit the importation of New Zealand lamb. It does. And, it
is also incorrect to say that the meat that we are getting here
is sub-standard.
The mover of the original motion did say, or I understood
him to say that sheep in Australia and New Zealand are being bred
primarily for wool and not for meat. Now, M r . President, Sir, that
is also incorrect. In the sheep industry, certain animals are bred

for wool and in Australia the export of wool amounts to hundreds of
millions of dollars. Now, it was suggested that when the sheep can
no longer produce wool it is first of all - I think the words were -
"fattened up and then slaughtered and then sent to Fiji."
Mr, President, sir, that is not correct. The procedure in the
trade is not to breed sheep for wool and then when they have outlived
their usefulness fatten them up, slaughter them, and then send them
to Fiji.
The export trade, the producers of sheep in Australia and New
Zealand are concentrating on the export of lamb for meat in one area,
other producers are concentrating on the growth of sheep for wool and
particularly Merino wool. So, I do not think., Mr. President, Sir, that
we can let go unchallenged these statements that the animals that we
are getting here are a lot of broken down hags,that they are like old
horses that are no longer of any use and they are sent to the slaughter
yards and melted down to make glue. It would be cjuite wrong if the
public got the impression from the debate that is going on here that
what is being sent to Fiji is diseased or sub-standard meat.
If, Mr, President, Sir, we decide to ban the importation of lamb,
mutton and corned mutton, we are going to deprive a big section of
our community of a part of their stable diet, and do we have a mandate
to do that? Is that what the public want? Do they want us to say, "From
tomorrow you shall not eat lamb anymore, you will wait until we can
breed a strain of lamb in this country that will be acceptable to you
the consumer"?
Mr. President, Sir, quite a lot of people are forced today to buy
certain lamb products or cuts of lamb. A lot of people do not eat
beef, a lot of people do not eat certain other types of food but quite
a big percentage for various reasons eat lamb and those that want prime
lamb can get it, it is available in the shops, but those that want a
different type of lamb will be able to get that type- of lamb, and we
come back to mutton flaps. Now, there may be some validity in the
suggestion that mutton flaps are fatty and that fat causes cholestrol
and thatcholestrol is killing off the middle-aged people in Fiji.
Mr. President, Sir, I would not try to expand on this at all
and the honourable Senator Dr. Tabua is far more knowledgeable than I
am on this matter, but it seems to me that eggs will cause cholestrol,
butter will cause cholestrol, we as laymen, are told every time we
pick up a journal that if we eat this " we will get cholestrol, if
we eat that we will get cholestrol, if we eat something else we will
get cholestrol. And, are these people Who are sitting crippled and
suffering from strokes on the street corners as they are because they
ate lamb from New Zealand supposedly? I do not think we know that.
It could be that some of these people are vegetarians and they have had
strokes. People are having strokes in many places.

What concerns me, Mr, President, Sir, is that we are starting
to create an impression or we could create an impression amongst
the public, amongst the consumers that when they go into a shop to
buy lamb and this could be something that is their staple diet,
suddenly they begin to say, "I had better not eat this; it is diseased*
I may die". We are going to cause them anxiety and those are
certainly not the facts.
I believe that we should make it quite clear that it is a fact
that lamb does go from Australia and New Zealand into the United
States and when it comes to quality control, there is a control.
So far as the United States is concerned, their Department of Agri-
culture regularly sends to Australia and New Zealand a team of experts
who look at where the lamb is bred, where it is slaughtered, where it
is stored. These officials from the United States Agricultural
Department, which has a very very very high standard, QS the honourable
Senator Basawaiya has said, (the United States Agricultural Department.
has probably the highest quality standard in the world) go regularly to
countries which produce meat whether it be beef or mutton and
inspect the conditions, and if they find that those conditions are n o t
up to their standard, they will be the first to condemn and reject
the meat from those countries.
However, the amount of rejection of mutton from New Zealand
by the United States of America is infinitesimal and the bulk of
that infinitesimal rejection is caused by something that went wrong
in the shipping whether the refrigeration broke down or something
else. And, in that case that meat does not get o n to the market in
the United States of America. And, Sir, I feel it would be quite
wrong for us, to say out of hand that we ban all exports of mutton
products and deprive our people of that food, if w e want to build up
a mutton industry here, then let us work on it and then when the time
comes, let us then get protection for that industry — the same as we
did for poultry. But, to just say out of hand, "Well, ban this and
ban that", and to keep on repeating that what we are getting here
is sub-standard is quite wrong, Mr. President, I sincerely hope that
if the media does pick this ujS," that it will convey the true facts and
those are,that although cheap outs may suit the pockets of our people
who are not rich and are limited in their income, and considering the cost
of living going up all the time -that they have to shop around for
cheap cuts, when they do shop around for cheap cuts, they are not
shopping around for cheap and nasty cuts to the extent that they
are going to be sold something that is not healthy. Whether they
buy the cheap cuts or the expansive cuts, whatever it is, it still
has to qualify so far as its quality is concerned. And, I feel
that we should keep those fact's in mind.
HON. SENATOR WEAVER.- Mr. President, Sir, I rise to firstly
thank honourable Senator Barrett for, shall we aay, casting some
ballast upon a ship in stormy seas but 1 wouId also 1 ike t o reflect
that both the honourable movers of the motion and the amendment had

in mind certain problems that do exist in F i j i , not forgetting the
f a c t s and the opinions put forward by the previous speaker.
Sir, we here in this Chamber as laymen, especially iny
colleagues on my right and l e f t , have been approached by doctors
in the community in which we l i v e , and these doctors have prevailed
upon us pointing out that there i s a growing number of deaths in
the community among Indians and Pijians. The General Electors'
side is so small that i t does not rate much of a mention, but i t
i s only because of their number that i t does not get mentioned.
These medical practioners feel with t h e i r experience in the p a r t i -
cular communities in Which they are working, that by and large the
deaths are due to the over-consumption of mutton primarily which
has a high fat content and in their view i t would help the com-
munity in general if some sort of quality control were introduced,
and: I think. I must fully support the previous speaker.
We have not got aub-standard meat because we have not got any
standard, we have yet to establish i t . The only standards we have
in t h i s country on meat i s what we slaughter ourselves and therefore
we cannot aay that we are importing sub-standard meat. If we say
t h a t we are importing meat that does not reach the standard imposed
in the United States, I would say I am quite certain that we do, and
there is every likelihood that if producers in any country had a
product which was not accepted by one market, they would be quite
hapPY to dispose of i t elsewhere at whatever price they could get.
Our importers and our butchers are turning their minds to how
best they can serve their customers, and they feel that they can do
t h i s by putting forward the cheapest cuts of meat they can purchase,
and I here again subscribe to the sentiments and ideas that the
previous speaker has put forward. They definitely do go out of t h e i r
way t o purchase the cheapest cuts they can provide. But here, Sir,
i s where we have some sort of conflict so we are left to believe
in our rounds in our various communities.
I am quite certain that the mover of both the motion and
the amendment really had in mind the i n t e r e s t s of those people
who suffer as a result of the premature passing of a member of t h e i r
family due to some sort of heart complaint. You cannot worry about
the person who has died because he i s beyond hope, but we must think
of t h e ones who are l e f t behind. The mover of the motion and the
mover of the amendment really had these factors in mind when they
brought forward these items to t h i s chamber.
Leaving aside the comments about poisoned meat, I am quite
s a t i s f i e d we do not have that sort of thing here, but we do have
on t h e shelves of our butcheries in F i j i , primarily, mutton, and
if consumed consistently and in the quantities that some of our
l o c a l people are in the habit of doing, i t will result in heart
conditions that could lead to death, and what is worrying i s that
t h a t number i s growing. Should we as a responsible body cast
our minds in the direction of whether such a situation warrants
our attention? I think i t does because while the meat may not
be poisoned, while i t might be quite palatable, i t leads to a
condition beyond

the immediate scope of the housewife who purchases the m e a t . The
intent of the motion and the amendment ia to control the sale and even
the importation. It is no good having imported mutton causing heart
attacks to be banned if we are going to produce similar meats
locally to cause just as many deaths. The concern, of the mover
of the motion and the amendment would be just as important no
matter where the product comes from. What is really intended is
some form of control, and here I am afraid we may have to go to
experts in the field of food and meats in particular.
I am wondering how this House could direct the attention
of the authorities to the problem. I hope that as a result of
this debate, all imports of mutton, lamb, et cetera, from Australia
and New Zealand would not be banned but I do hope that the
authorities are prompted to pay some serious attention to the real
intent of the motion.
The real intent is to take ateps to see that some quite
rubbish cuts of meat are not allowed on our butcher's counters
for sale let alone having them imported. I think this is where
we should direct our attention and may be accept in good grace
some of the unkind things that were said earlier about m e a t s on our
butcher's counters.
As a result of this, Sir, I think you will see a rise in the
price of meat and this is what the real issue is. The better cuts
are more expensive and if, as a result of this debate, quality control
is brought in and cuts that do tend to lead to heart disease or
failure are eliminated from our butchers' shelves, w e will see a
rise in prices of mutton no matter where it comes from, overseas or
local. The carry-over effect of that price rise will be a spur,
an encouragement to producers of local goat to turn their minds
to the production of more goat in Fiji and if we have a look at
our import figures of not only mutton but goat, it is the same
basic story, that we should be producing far more food on our tablea,
and if nothing more, to spur all of us to think in that direction, I
think this motion accomplishes a wonderful amount in bringing it
before us and I do subscribe entirely to the previous speaker's
fears that the wrong picture might come before the public. I hope
as a result of this debate the picture is put forward that we must
produce more at home and if we are going to import or sell meats
in our butchers' shops, we should exercise a bit of control over its
quality to see that we are not laying before the public a food
product that can lead to heart failure and premature death. I think
that would adequately cover the real intent of the mover's motion
and the amendment. With those thoughts, Mr. president, I support
the amendment.
. HON. SENATOR BASAWAIYA.- Mr. President, Sir, I thank the
various speakers who have stood up to speak on the motion and I must
make certain impressions clear.
Firstly, Senator Inoke Tabua mentioned that banning the import
of meats from Australia and New Zealand would b e , if I understood

him correctly, an unfriendly act. I must ensure him that importing
meat by business people and selling toy business people to the
community i s one thing and our relations with the Australian and
Neu Zealand Governments ia another ~ i t has nothing to do with our
relationship with a friendly country or otherwise.
I think I have achieved the purpose of bringing t h i s motion as
a catalyst in the House to make not only the Ministry of Agriculture
but also the public aware of the excessive quantity of fat they are
taking and the grade of meat that i s being sold in our shops. I t i s
interesting that the Government spokesman in the senate on health
matters is keeping a conspicuous silence on t h i s motion. Before I
come to the health aspect of i t , I must deal with Senator Barrett.
Firstly, I must say that the American Government definitely
bans the import of New Zealand corned mutton i n t o the s t a t e s . In
my presence, a carton of corned mutton was confiscated in Hawaii
from a person who was taking i t into America. I happened to have been
there and I asked the officer concerned and he said "we do not allow
corned mutton from New 2ealand because i t has got a very high content
of fat", and the honourable Senator Barrett i s right that the American
Agricultural Department ensures that by inspection, only quality
meat i s imported into America, Does he deny t h a t low grade lamb
flaps are sold to rural people in F i j i under the name of "mutton"?
Because refrigeration has extended into shops now, the rural people
go to the shopkeeper and buy mutton - one or two pounds of mutton
he asks for and he i s bundled with lamb flaps and lamb necks. This
shopper does not buy choice lamb chops or lamb shoulders or lamb
legs for roasting; he takes whatever comes in h i s parcel as mutton
and goes and cooks and eats i t , sometimes 60 per cent of fat. And
we, as Senators are not irresponsible people; we are responsible
people with a duty to the public. We know t h a t drinking methylated
spirits i s bad for the person and i f we allow i t , people will drink
i t and that i s why we make laws against the consumption of methy-
lated s p i r i t s . So, as responsible people of t h i s House, we must
make sure that our i l l i t e r a t e people get the benefit of protection
from people who know better.
As I said, I am grateful to the various speakers who have stood
up to speak and I have, by this motion, achieved the very purpose
of making the public, the Ministry of Agriculture and. the shopkeepers
conscious that we are trying to s e l l something to the public which i s
not in their best i n t e r e s t , 1 commend the motion to the House.
Question put on the amendment.
Amendment l o s t .
Question put on the original motion.
Motion l o s t .
MR. PRESIDENT.- Order! The House is adjourned for 15 minutes.
The House adjourned at 3.25 p.m.

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